Thread: Conspiracies That Turned Out To Be True

Seems like more and more people are out of touch with the fact that some conspiracy theories do check out.

Sorry, but most in the list are known and you can't really call them conspiracy. For example somebody trying to kill GW is not a conspiracy. Most are pretty much known historical facts. So I fail to see the hallmarks of a conspiracy, I don't know like the government trying to cover it up.

For example Guy Fawkes gun powder plot is a pretty poor to call it a conspiracy, since in England we have Guy Fawkes day every year. Pretty big coverup.

Also, the bay of pigs was a military decision that went wrong. Not a conspiracy.

They dismiss theories that seem out of their scope of reality (usually for the reason of bias, whether acknowledged or not), as "just another conspiracy theory," as if the fact that it is a conspiracy theory means that it's unlikely to be true.

The thing is, most of the conspiracy listed on the website are not conspiracy. A good example is Guy Fawkes, where there was no cover up and such.

such as the U.S. Government, will go to promote its agenda; incidents either unknown, or ignored, by many of the most outspoken critics of 'conspiracy theorists.'

Do you know what the Bush doctrine is? Also, this is a ad hom.

An attempt by a group of provincial English Catholic extremists to kill King James I of England, his family, and most of the Protestant aristocracy in one attack by blowing up the Houses of Parliament during the State Opening. Guy Fawkes Day is named after one of the (lesser) conspirators and is celebrated with fireworks. Some modern historians believe the plot may have been either orchestrated or allowed to run its course by the Protestant elite for propaganda value. See also: Popish Plot.

Sorry, I fail to see how this is a conspiracy. I fail to see how most on the list are conspiracies. Saying that, it might be the worse kept conspiracy, I can just think of the people who wanted to cover this up. Oh yeah, lets make a day out of this, since then no one would know about this conspiracy.

Originally Posted by wendylove

Sorry, but...

I guess, then, what you're having trouble with is the definition of the word "conspiracy."

A conspiracy is an agreement between two parties to commit a harmful (usually illegal) act. If me an Joe-Bob decide that, one day, we are going to kill George Bush, that is a conspiracy.

The fact that the plot was foiled and/or otherwise found out, and a holiday was made after it, in celebration, does not negate the fact that it is a conspiracy.

From what I can tell, your definition of conspiracy has to do with something concerning a government cover-up. This is not always the case, and is actually a part of what I'm actually trying to clear up - that people constantly misuse the term when bashing "conspiracy theorists."

Originally Posted by wendylove

Do you know what the Bush doctrine is? Also, this is a ad hom.

Yes, I know what it is. Why?
Also, that is not an ad hominem. I didn't attack anybody. I stated a fact. The fact is that many of the people that I hear bash "conspiracy theorists" on the logic that "the government just wouldn't do that" have no idea about some of the things the government has done in the past, which shine a little light into why someone would believe it is capable of that type of act. That is not an attack on anyone. It is simply a personal observation, devoid of personal opinion or "attack."

Originally Posted by wendylove

Sorry, I fail to see how this is a conspiracy. I fail to see how most on the list are conspiracies. Saying that, it might be the worse kept conspiracy, I can just think of the people who wanted to cover this up. Oh yeah, lets make a day out of this, since then no one would know about this conspiracy.

What's not to see? Do you think they sent out flyers saying "We are going to bomb Parliment on Tuesday! Make sure you've all got your lawnchairs and beer kegs out to watch the show!"? No. Whether or not the act was lauded, after the fact, is irrelevant. The plan, itself, is the conspiracy, unless it was broadcasted from the very beginning.