The Crop Circle: Ending the Mystery

[juroara]

as a continuation of my october series!! this is about, the crop circle phenomenon of course there are already people laughing, saying "its proven that all crop circles are made by wood planking hoaxers" are you so sure? have you read all the facts concerning crop circles? and do you know the history of the most famous wood planking hoaxer and what their history could mean in the cover up of scientific facts about this modern day mystery? now this is the information age so you'll have to excuse me if even this website is a hoax, unfortunately with the internet its harder and harder to prove whats real, and what's not. how easy is it for a news website to make imaginary news and fool millions? it's not like we can fly to far off places on a whim and confirm we aren't being lied to. with that said, it gets pretty insane to start assuming every website is a lie and this crop circle website says, experiments have been done. and they have proven - that there are civilian made crop circles, and crop circles that defy science!! this crop circle investigation team believes they can spot out the difference between crop circles made by the "circle" maker, and crop circles made by known wood planking hoaxers. the first obvious difference is measuring out the crop circle. that is, seeing if the geometry of the crop circle is precise, or if it shows human error. http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/cci...cles_4004.jpeg http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/cci...cles_4004.jpeg why is this important to the crop circle team? because the first famous crop circles to start appearing, were precise. absolutely precise geometry. then he comes some hoaxers saying "we did it!" but you would think they would get better with their geometry? they didn't. with the crop circles we know for a fact they have made, its as if their geometry got worse. to the eye its perfect geometry, the magical ruler says differently. this makes the crop circle team, skeptical of their claims for original crop circles that did have perfect geometry. thus, the investigation continues. of course we all know one of the defining features of the crop circle - is the flattening of the grass. oh so mysterious! aliens must have did it right? until come the hoaxers, showing wood planks that could flatten the grass. then the ufo communities little hearts were flattened right? and everyone called them idiots? right? wrong. the crop circle team went further, and collected samples from crop circle sights with perfect geometry. they collected dirt, seed and the plant samples. they then gave these samples to scientists with controls as well. what were the findings? "One of the first puzzles Levengood came across concerned the seeds. Seed heads collected from the 1991 Barbury Castle formation appeared normal, until they were compared to control samples and found to be considerably stunted. Contrary to nature, they were also totally devoid of seeds. Yet control samples taken at various distances away from the formation contained seeds as normal. But true to crop circle fashion this was not to be the rule: in other cases where the seeds were present, they were often severely stunted, malformed, lower in weight and/or reduced in size. Levengood attributed this to a premature dehydration of the seeds, their development arrested at the time the crop circle was created." http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/ccimages/crop_circles_0802.gif"To see how the seeds reacted when germinated, closely-monitored 14-day laboratory trials were conducted to compare their growth cycle with controls. Levengood noted that the crop circle seeds reacted variably, depending upon the intensity of the crop circle energy as well as the age of the plants when affected. The results show an inconsistency with natural plant development: in some of the immature plants the seeds failed to germinate; in young plants they did germinate but with grossly depressed development in roots and shoots; plants affected in the late life-cycle by crop circle energy developed in a manner inconsistent with seeds of that species, revealing accelerated germination and increased vigour in the more mature plants, the latter exhibiting a growth rate 40% faster than normal, with a healthier root structure to boot." theres more! what could cause this in seeds? wood planks? "But what kind of energy was capable of altering the plants' natural cycle? To find out, Levengood tested a sample of plants in a commercial microwave oven. The results revealed that the closest similarities to crop circle samples- even at the microscopic level- occurred when the plants were subjected to 30 seconds of microwave, not a far cry from the range described by eyewitnesses; evidence of this rapid heating was corroborated by a superficial charring of the plant tissue which left deeper layers unaffected, thereby indicating the brevity of the action." "But by far the most important discovery in his research centres around the nodes' bract tissue- the thin membrane supporting the seed head that enables nutrients to be supplied to the developing embryo. What Levengood found here was an abnormal enlargement of the tissues' cell wall pits- the minuscule holes that allow the movement of nutrients. Here, a series of expulsion cavities, or 'blow holes', were discovered, as if internal liquid had been forced out from inside the plants. Again, this is not found in normal crop under any circumstances. In a dramatic comparison to the control samples, the elongated scars clearly show how a rapid expansion has taken place inside crop circle plants, a result of the water in the cell walls being suddenly heated. With nowhere to escape, the water forces its way out by exploiting the weaker sections of the tissue thereby creating the scars. Levengood concluded that "the energy mechanism producing quantitative alterations in the plant stem nodes falls within the framework of a straight-forward and widely applied principal of physics [Beer's Law] dealing with the absorption of electromagnetic energy by matter," strongly suggesting that an energy source "originating in the microwave region" had boiled the water inside the plants' nodes, effectively transforming it into steam." http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/cci...rcles_0802.gif http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/cci...rcles_0804.gif you can go here to read the whole story about the plant nodes, being 'nuked'. http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/biophysical.html so why do the researches still think this amazing nuking of the plants still couldn't have been done by hoaxers? because of the soil sample collected from the same site present a scientific problem. "This study, funded by Laurance Rockefeller, examined specific clay minerals (those which are called "expandable" clays and which are most sensitive to heat) in crop circle soils, in an attempt to gather further data which might inform us regarding the hypothesized presence of microwave radiation at crop circle sites. Multiple scientists were involved (see "Study Personnel"), most of whom were totally unacquainted with the crop circle phenomenon at the time they carried out their individual work on the project. These scientists were carefully chosen, not only for their specific expertise, but because they were unaware of the phenomenon, thus ruling out any potential assertions by skeptics of "experimenter bias." The results are startling. Specific clay minerals (illite/smectites) are shown to exhibit a subtle, but statistically significant, increase in degree of crystallization....a change heretofore seen only in sedimentary rock, which has been exposed to the massive pressure (called "geologic" pressure) of tons of overlying rock and to heat from the earth's core over hundreds, or thousands of years. To our knowledge this increase in degree of crystallization has never been reported previously in surface soils (as is the case here)." and more!! "If "geologic" pressure had been present, obviously the plants would have been obliterated. And, of course, they were not. Further, if the intense heat required (a minimum of 6-800 degrees C, over a period of many hours) to produce the crystalline change (in the absence of such geologic pressure) had been present, the plants would have been incinerated. And, again, they were not" ohh nifty. . getting the idea here?? "What is MOST interesting is the fact that both the documented plant changes and the increases in clay-mineral crystallization occurred at the SAME sampling locations." do you understand the scientific problem? we have these plants with biological changes to them, and whatever changed the soil should have left no plants! they would have been burned up into nothing! still think a hand full of wood planking hoaxers are to blame? how can you argue against the microscope? the scientists conclude, this intense energy is not one currently known to science. "As is often the case in science, new and intriguing questions have been raised. The notion of mechanical flattening, however, is without question ruled out." ruled out? its a joke!! and some one out there is laughing that we've all been fooled into believing wood planking can have these strange effects on a microscopic level on both plants and soil samples from the same sight. theres more to come, I gotta go to work. the website has more to read if you want to read it. their conclusion, is not necessarily aliens!! they do their best to stay away from any sort of conclusion. but they do believe, the real answer, has to do with. . . . sound.

[juroara]

got time for a quick post did sound create the crop circle? http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/cci...rcles_0402.gif http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/cci...rcles_0403.gif http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/cci...rcles_0405.gif can high frequency sound, nuke plants and soil, create a bend in the plants, geometric designs related to sound and account for mysterious eye witness accounts? "Many accounts exist of a trilling sound heard by people prior to witnessing crop circles forming. The reports describe a sudden stillness in the air, the morning birdsong superseded by a trilling sound and the banging together of wheat heads despite an absence of wind. A whole section of crop then lays down in spiral fashion, the whole episode lasting less than fifteen seconds. Circles researcher Colin Andrews came across the trilling noise himself when, in mild frustration during his search to find a single answer to the phenomenon, he beseeched the heavens, "God, if only you could tell me how these things are created". The reply he received was eventually captured on magnetic tape. Subsequent analysis at Sussex University and NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab concluded the noise was mechanical in nature and beating at a frequency of 5.0-5.2 kHz. Whilst recording an interview inside a crop circle the same sound was heard by a BBC cameraman shortly before it rendered a £30,000 TV camera obsolete." "Modern science now shows that these geometric rhythms lie at the centre of atomic structures. When Andrew Gladzewski carried out research into atomic patterns, plants, crystals and harmonics in music he concluded that atoms are harmonic resonators, proving that physical reality is actually governed by geometric arrays based on sound frequencies. Even that primeval Hindu sound, the OM, from which is derived our modern term 'hum', when sung into a tonoscope produces the very geometric shapes attributed with 'sacredness'. Perhaps the most important of these shapes is the hexagon, upon which the Egyptian matrix named the Flower of Life is based." "But perhaps the greatest connection linking sound to the manifestation of crop circles lies in their greatest anomaly: the permanent bending of the plants' stems." "But in the case of Hindu devotional music- and the songs of Ravi Shankar, in particular- the stems bent in excess of 60º to the horizontal, perhaps the closest any human has ever come anywhere to achieving that right angle common to genuine crop circles. Further experiments at Annamalai University applying Indian devotional song generated additional effects: the number of stomata in the experimental plants was 66% higher, the epidermal walls were thicker, and the palisade cells were longer and broader than control specimens, sometimes by as much as 50%. Similar biophysical changes are known to occur in plants collected from crop circles. Tests performed since 1989 by American physicist Dr. W. Levengood consistently show how the energy creating crop circles is able to affect seed embryo and plant growth, elongate the plant's nodes, even alter the pattern of the chromosomes themselves." thoughts? don't agree with the experiments and their conclusions and why? "Since a sudden and abnormal burst of growth is also known to occur in crop circle plants it was postulated that microwave was the culprit behind the creation of crop circles. However, microwave has the ability to render biological systems sterile, and a certain dose will even kill organisms. Yet the crop circles plants are alive and well. After four years of experiments on regular wheat at the University of Ottawa, Mary Measures and Pearl Weinberger found accelerated growth in laboratory samples, and postulated that the sound frequency they applied had produced a resonant effect in the plants' cells, thereby affecting their metabolism. The frequency Measures and Weinberger applied was identical the crop circle trilling noise." http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/cci...rcles_0407.gif I think there is enough research over crop circles to take it seriously, and to start considering that the crop circle was produced with a high frequency sound. I think a few questions remain who or what is producing the sound? if who, why? and who are the hoaxers and why are they so determined to prove these crop circles are theirs, when they know about this scientific research? so we see anything in our history providing that crop circles have happened in the past, or are crop circles entirely a modern phenomenon?

[Xei]

The guys who made them admitted it. Get over it.

[Dreamworld]

now this is the information age so you'll have to excuse me if even this website is a hoax, unfortunately with the internet its harder and harder to prove whats real, and what's not. how easy is it for a news website to make imaginary news and fool millions? it's not like we can fly to far off places on a whim and confirm we aren't being lied to. with that said, it gets pretty insane to start assuming every website is a lie I stopped here.

[nitsuJ]

The problem here is that you get information from obviously one sided biased websites. Get evidence/proof from some non-biased website, the best thing to be is to get evidence/proof from a website that thinks crop circles are man-made.

[juroara]

The guys who made them admitted it. Get over it. and I created NASA how about reading the thread?

[juroara]

The problem here is that you get information from obviously one sided biased websites. Get evidence/proof from some non-biased website, the best thing to be is to get evidence/proof from a website that thinks crop circles are man-made. read the thread the website is not biased it acknowledges man made crop circles, neither does it say the mysterious crop circles are not man made, again, no where on the website do they say aliens created crop circles rather they have presented SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE beyond a shadow of a doubt that the hoaxers are the not the original crop circle creators please read the thread

[juroara]

I stopped here. you guys are just sad!! there is scientific evidence at hand here, isn't this the kind of evidence that you guys want? to ignore the scientific research is pathetic

[The Cusp]

What I don't like about crop circles is that they are all located predominantly in the UK. What do aliens have against Canada? We have way more fields than they do. To me that would indicate that they are created by the people who live there, a cultural thing. I've studied a lot of sacred geometry (as well as cymatics for the sound connection), and the patterns aren't that amazing either. I see a clear link to old celtic geometry, again indicating it's a local cultural thing.

[juroara]

What I don't like about crop circles is that they are all located predominantly in the UK. What do aliens have against Canada? We have way more fields than they do. To me that would indicate that they are created by the people who live there, a cultural thing. I've studied a lot of sacred geometry (as well as cymatics for the sound connection), and the patterns aren't that amazing either. I see a clear link to old celtic geometry, again indicating it's a local cultural thing. who said anything about aliens?? or amazing patterns? it's more important to understand the patterns are precise down to the measuring. do you understand the connection between the patterns and the sound? sound creates such patterns. you can youtube people creating patterns in sand using sound. in this case, its fields. these crop circles CAN NOT BE CREATED BY CIVILIANS. the scientific evidence is there. please read the entire thread. and discuss or prove how a civilian can reproduce the area effects, which were studied by scientists BLINDLY. that is, they did not know they were studying crop circles as far the UK hoaxers. . . I'm getting to them.

[The Cusp]

You severely underestimate what people who are good at their jobs can accomplish. Yes I understand the link between patterns and sound. It's called cymatics. I can say with confidence that the majority of crop circles do no fit the patterns created by cymatics, which I've studied extensively/obsessively.

[juroara]

You severely underestimate what people who are good at their jobs can accomplish. I can say with confidence that the majority of crop circles do no fit the patterns created by cymatics, which I've studied extensively. no I don't severely underestimate people no where did I say people do not create crop cirlces that website, with these researches agree with you 100%. the majority of crop circles are created by hoaxers. they are called hoaxers because they base their crop circles off of a real phenomenon that they themselves did not create. only a tiny handful are alleged to the 'circle maker'. but it only takes ONE, just ONE crop circle to defy our science, to defy any technology we currently know that can produce the microscopic effects on both the plants and soil to be ground breaking. I'm a bit annoyed that no one is taking the time to consider the weight of this research. come out of your mental boxes!! I have given you enough scientific research to conclude there are crop circles created by the alleged hoaxers, and crop circles not created by civilians.

[Pyrofan1]

The reply he received was eventually captured on magnetic tape. Subsequent analysis at Sussex University and NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab concluded the noise was mechanical in nature and beating at a frequency of 5.0-5.2 kHz. Then why don't techo concerts create crop circles? and also you can gut a microwave and create your own crop cooking machine

[The Cusp]

I just can't get over the fact that they are almost all located in the UK. It's a big world. Then why don't techo concerts create crop circles? and also you can gut a microwave and create your own crop cooking machine Because the music changes too much. You need a prolonged single note to create a pattern. Plus there is no medium at a techno concert on which to impress these patterns. But I'd be willing to bet dollars to doughnuts you could find these patterns in the movement of the crowd in response to the music. It's just not permanent.

[juroara]

Then why don't techo concerts create crop circles? and also you can gut a microwave and create your own crop cooking machine you bring up two interesting points and this is why the scientists conclude no civilian can make these crop circles. these are professionals. don't you think they would consider if one of our speakers can be loud enough to produce the require sound to create a crop circle? of course they did the sound needed to create these crop circles, some of them...SHIT HUGE, is damn LOUD. and requires a very powerful high energy sound, requiring a very powerful machine. you brought up nuking food in a microwave. very good. understand our microwaves are little boxes. see how well that little box can nuke entire large areas of a field in minimum amount of time. some of the most famous 'circle maker' fields were created in less than 15 minutes. that's not just fifteen minutes to create a design. thats fifteen minutes to alter the structure of plants and change the formations of the soil. it's just not realistic given the data that this energy is something a civilian could have. NOTHING WE HAVE CAN PRODUCE THE AREA EFFECTS. if you want to say humans, sure. but it would suggest a government experiment with very powerful high frequency sounds. using a technology, currently unknown to the scientific world. still, not something these hoaxers could have done.

[juroara]

I just can't get over the fact that they are almost all located in the UK. It's a big world. I was going to write a longer post, but I'll get to the point. "People who have successfully infiltrated hoaxer gangs in the past say that they are being paid an enormous amount of money to go about their disruptive techniques. In the case of Doug and Dave, the duo's origin was traced to the British military. Other known disrupters, such as Robert Irving and Jim Schnabel- collaborators with Dickinson in the past- admitted in a secretly taped conversation that the hoaxing and debunking is being carried out with the total support of the American, British and German secret service, ironically the countries which have made the only concerted efforts at debunking the whole phenomenon in their respective countries." Because the UK had an interest to spread disinformation-misinformation, and they had two of their own men who were very good at it. These hoaxers were brilliant and have fooled the world for many years now. Making this thread even hard to talk about because people are so CONDITIONED that crop circles are only created by wood planks not only that, but special tv programs to debunk the crop circle myth don't even talk about the exploded plant nodes or the changes to the soil. of course not, because when the military is involved, someone wants a cover up. which is why someone people believe it does have to do with government experiments. though the website is not entirely convinced yet, that it is the government of any nation.

[The Cusp]

Any anomalous reading (radiation or whatever) within the confines of crop circles can be explained by their geometric structure, and still be man made. Sacred geometry is the building blocks of all matter, and it's atomic/geometric structure defines the very properties matter has. On a large scale, like with a crop circle, it could still produce effects Geometric shapes are powerful things which are not yet fully understood. The idea that sacred geometry was the basis for all matter was long ridiculed until the 80's when it was proven to be true. I'm not really sure what we're arguing about anymore...

[juroara]

I'm not really sure what we're arguing about anymore... these are confusing times

[Pyrofan1]

the sound needed to create these crop circles, some of them...SHIT HUGE, is damn LOUD. and requires a very powerful high energy sound, requiring a very powerful machine. Then why weren't the people who heard these sounds while crop circles were forming deafened? The idea that sacred geometry was the basis for all matter was long ridiculed until the 80's when it was proven to be true. Link to reliable peer reviewed scientific report please.

[juroara]

Then why weren't the people who heard these sounds while crop circles were forming deafened? Link to reliable peer reviewed scientific report please. you also have to keep in mind the range of our hearing, and vision is only a tiny fraction of all the sounds and light out there. who's to say we can hear enough of this sound to realize how flippin loud it actually is? I mean elephants are pretty damn loud, but we don't hear some of their loudest calls. you know never mind, loud is the wrong word. I don't mean something related to our hearing. a trilling sound is heard. as far as I know it, no one is ever in the field when it happens - not sure what would happen to that person. but people have walked into these fields shortly after it's discovered. they have reported that even after you can still hear something. then they get headaches and nausea. and most leave when that happens, they don't stick around and wait to pass out or what not. but both symptoms are symptoms you can get from sound.

[Pyrofan1]

I'm just saying that any sound loud enough to flatten crops, fry them and cause the equivalent of millions of years of heat and pressure should deafen people and shatter windows for hundreds of miles around.

[juroara]

I'm just saying that any sound loud enough to flatten crops, fry them and cause the equivalent of millions of years of heat and pressure should deafen people and shatter windows for hundreds of miles around. when people film cups shattering in experiments, why didn't it also shatter the camera lens? can't you point sound directly at something? if not. what's your explanation?

[nitsuJ]

Yeah, because glass from cups and camera lenses are the exact same thing.

[juroara]

what is your conviction to be against anything outside of your mental box that causes you just to talk out of your ass? are you that afraid of being wrong? why not present to me evidence not a single crop circle has ever manifested area effects outside of what a civilian can do?

[nitsuJ]

I don't believe in aliens for these reasons: 1. To get here, they'd almost have to travel at or faster than the speed of light, and according to Einstein's theory, that's impossible. 2. I don't think they're capable to creating to black holes to connect and form a worm hole so they can travel here faster. 3. I see no reason in Alien life wanting to come to earth in the first place if all they're going to do is fly around and then leave. 4. I believe when they seem to be traveling at Mach speeds there should be sonic booms when it happens, yet it never does. I don't believe Crop Circles are made from aliens for these two reasons: 1. I don't believe in aliens. 2. There are hoaxers that admit they made the crop circles.