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      Vatican: It's OK to Believe in Aliens

      I haven't seen this elsewhere so I thought I'd post this bit of interesting news here. And another bit of news below it.


      Vatican: It's OK to Believe in Aliens



      Vatican: It's OK to Believe in Aliens
      By The Associated Press

      posted: 13 May 2008
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      VATICAN CITY (AP) — The Vatican's chief astronomer says that believing in aliens does not contradict faith in God.

      The Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, the Jesuit director of the Vatican Observatory, says that the vastness of the universe means it is possible there could be other forms of life outside Earth, even intelligent ones.

      In an interview published Tuesday by Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, Funes says that such a notion "doesn't contradict our faith'' because aliens would still be God's creatures.

      The interview was headlined "The extraterrestrial is my brother.'' Funes said that ruling out the existence of aliens would be like "putting limits'' on God's creative freedom.

      for entire article visit http://www.space.com/news/ap-080513-vatican-aliens.html

      Vatican astronomer says if aliens exist, they may not need redemption

      Asked about implications that the discovery of alien life might pose for Christian redemption, Father Funes cited the Gospel parable of the shepherd who left his flock of 99 sheep in order to search for the one that was lost.

      "We who belong to the human race could really be that lost sheep, the sinners who need a pastor," he said.

      "God became man in Jesus in order to save us. So if there are also other intelligent beings, it's not a given that they need redemption. They might have remained in full friendship with their creator," he said.

      Father Funes went on to say that Christ's incarnation and sacrifice was a unique and unrepeatable event. But he said he was sure that, if needed, God's mercy would be offered to aliens, as it was to humans.

      for entire article visit http://www.catholicnews.com/data/sto...ns/0802629.htm
      Holy moley Batman! Christianity has gone interplanetary! Now I'm not one to hold up and flail a "Beam Me Up!" sign atop a 100th story building, but it does strike me as odd that the Vatican has chosen to become open-minded to other worldly existences. I know some religious "zealot's" who'd never entertain the thought of such possibilities. Interestingly enough the Vatican, of all religious institutions, has.

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      Eh...not like I care. Atheist here. But, for those of you Christian non-skeptics, :bravo:. You have just won the prize.

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      I'm surprised it even took this long.

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      not christianity

      catholicism

      there are still plenty of christian churches that teach there is nothing out there, and anything that is from out there is actually just a farce by the devil

      but thats no surprise from the catholic church, considering it is also not necessarily against evolution

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      Quote Originally Posted by juroara View Post
      not christianity

      catholicism

      there are still plenty of christian churches that teach there is nothing out there, and anything that is from out there is actually just a farce by the devil

      but thats no surprise from the catholic church, considering it is also not necessarily against evolution
      True. However, Catholicism is widely seen as the figurehead of Christianity. Perhaps because they own slightly less real-estate property than McDonald's, or probably because the Catholic church (as a whole) has enough money to feed and clothe every man, woman and child on this planet. Or possibly...possibly perhaps the Vatican city owns the most exclusive star gazing technology? In essence, when the Catholic church sneezes Christianity itself catches a cold.

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      Good so far, now all the vatican need to do is say "It's ok to believe Jesus was an alien" Then who would be laughing HAHAHA!

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      Vatican astronomer says if aliens exist, they may not need redemption
      I was going to post some satire about it. However it's cut right to the chase here and made itself satire.

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      The Catholic Church recently stated that it is not okay to believe in Catholicism. The Catholic Church is now anti-Catholic.
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      Reminds me of that South Park episode "Stavin' Marvin in Space"

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      Interesting, just 600 years ago the vatican would of condemned such an idea, or even less controversial ideas then aliens.

      They sure have come a long way but they still have a long way to go before they reach realism and common sense, real open-mindedness.
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      Getting ready just in case.
      This was that cult, and the prisoners said it had always existed and always would exist, hidden in distant wastes and dark places all over the world until the time when the great priest Cthulhu, from his dark house in the mighty city of R'lyeh under the waters, should rise and bring the earth again beneath his sway.

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      Yes, the Catholic Church has learned that aliens exist. And they MUST be converted from their barbaric ways of interplanatary travel.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Half/Dreaming View Post
      Yes, the Catholic Church has learned that aliens exist. And they MUST be converted from their barbaric ways of interplanatary travel.
      I watch too much South Park, that reminded me of the child molestation episode where there were alien christians at the Vatican

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      Quote Originally Posted by ninja9578 View Post
      I watch too much South Park, that reminded me of the child molestation episode where there were alien christians at the Vatican
      Was that the one where the Catholics were all under the command of a giant alien spider?

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      Quote Originally Posted by ninja9578 View Post
      I watch too much South Park, that reminded me of the child molestation episode where there were alien christians at the Vatican
      Who? The Gelgemac Catholics?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix View Post
      I was going to post some satire about it. However it's cut right to the chase here and made itself satire.
      How is that satire? I thought it was a rather logical conclusion given the assumptions that were involved.

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      I thought it was a rather logical conclusion
      Are you joking? Catholic church is never logical. The bible contradicts itself every sentence. Exodus20 "thou shall not kill"
      Exodus21 "It's ok to kill your father if he strikes you"

      It's satire because saying aliens do not need redemption after previous contradicting their existence is absurd. As well as us needing redemption on top of that. It can't get any more comical.

      I mean come on....

      Vatican astronomer says if aliens exist, they may not need redemption
      Vatican astronomer? LOL. How can you be part of the Vatican and then go do astronomy seriously. and IF they exist? Don't even know the evidence just following the sheep. And then maybe they don't need redemption? They might have different special rules than humans? Why?



      That's packing more crazy delusional concepts into one sentence than I thought was even possible. Ofcourse it makes itself satire.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix View Post

      Vatican astronomer? LOL. How can you be part of the Vatican and then go do astronomy seriously.
      Actually the Vatican has one of the world's premiere observatories. You don't have to be atheist to study the stars and cosmology.

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      I think what makes the astronomer comment funny is that being an astronomer means you are qualified to study the night sky, NOT make predictions about whether aliens need redemption.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix View Post
      Are you joking? Catholic church is never logical. The bible contradicts itself every sentence. Exodus20 "thou shall not kill"
      Exodus21 "It's ok to kill your father if he strikes you"

      It's satire because saying aliens do not need redemption after previous contradicting their existence is absurd. As well as us needing redemption on top of that. It can't get any more comical.

      I mean come on....



      Vatican astronomer? LOL. How can you be part of the Vatican and then go do astronomy seriously. and IF they exist? Don't even know the evidence just following the sheep. And then maybe they don't need redemption? They might have different special rules than humans? Why?



      That's packing more crazy delusional concepts into one sentence than I thought was even possible. Ofcourse it makes itself satire.
      Are you sure its not you that has made a satire of yourself?

      "Its ok to kill your father if he strikes you" does not appear in the bible.

      How did the Vatican 'contradict' the existence of aliens? Why would they need to be redeemed for the sins of humans? Why would "the son of man" save something that is not human?

      As has been said, the vatican observatory is one of the best in the world, and is also one of the longest standing astronomical research institutions of all time.

      Get with the effing program already.

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      I would love to have taken these documents back to Galileo's time and see how the Papacy would react to them.

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      Quote Originally Posted by O'nus View Post
      I would love to have taken these documents back to Galileo's time and see how the Papacy would react to them.

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      "Its ok to kill your father if he strikes you" does not appear in the bible.
      Yes it does, look it up. It does say that in 'the bible'.

      How did the Vatican 'contradict' the existence of aliens?
      The Vatican will believe in anything it wants to believe. They never made a statement on aliens before....Even though the concept has being around. That's why it's funny they are trying to incorporate things to make people happy but it doesn't work cause we aren't fooled. If you can't see the satire you have become the Vatican's pet. Cause that's the only way you wouldn't see the humor in it. If Vatican had all the answers. Vatican would have mentioned aliens beforehand. Vatican would have known. Vatican failed to teach it. Mentioning it only later proves they aren't holy cause they left something out until recently. Vatican trying to keep up added something to their philosophy.


      Why would they need to be redeemed for the sins of humans? Why would "the son of man" save something that is not human?
      As if you would believe we are all sinful cause of Adam...The idea of humans being naturally sinful cause 1 human Adam did something is foolish. That's why putting different rules on other entities out in the universe is equally radical and nonsensical racism. You would think the same rules apply to everyone. God wouldn't say oh humans are different they are sinful, but other aliens are ok. Just humans bad cause Adam made me angry.

      And the son of man? Where is the son of man? Let alone if he will save the aliens.


      As has been said, the Vatican observatory is one of the best in the world, and is also one of the longest standing astronomical research institutions of all time.
      Maybe because of all the money laundering and fascism and religious brainwashing? Doesn't mean they will use it for good. It makes them the least legitimate cause of what they are. Just cause they have technology doesn't mean The Vatican is legitimate.

      Get with the effing program already.
      You're off the planet defending the Vatican contributing to the satire.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix View Post
      Yes it does, look it up. It does say that in 'the bible'.
      How can you tell him to look up something you haven't provided a verse or book in the bible in which it is "supposedly" located? I was a devout Christian for about 15 years, and nowhere have I read such a verse. This leads me to believe you are paraphrasing (and still misinterpreting) the verse you have in mind. Nevertheless, you've provided no material to make Xaqaria or myself think otherwise. If memory serves correctly, the bible does mention things like parents being able to put their kids to death if they don't believe in God. And also it being lawful for adulterer's to be publicly stoned. But nowhere have I heard that "kids could kill their parents". Though the Old Testament was definitely radical, the very nature of what you're saying doesn't seem "of God" or very lawful back then. Provide the exact verse(s) or it didn't happen.

      Quote Originally Posted by O'nus View Post
      I would love to have taken these documents back to Galileo's time and see how the Papacy would react to them.

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      I don't think he'd pay much attention to it. He'd be too fascinated and/or afraid that he'd be speaking with a Chrononaut.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Jeff777 View Post
      How can you tell him to look up something you haven't provided a verse or book in the bible in which it is "supposedly" located? I was a devout Christian for about 15 years, and nowhere have I read such a verse. This leads me to believe you are paraphrasing (and still misinterpreting) the verse you have in mind. Nevertheless, you've provided no material to make Xaqaria or myself think otherwise. If memory serves correctly, the bible does mention things like parents being able to put their kids to death if they don't believe in God. And also it being lawful for adulterer's to be publicly stoned. But nowhere have I heard that "kids could kill their parents". Though the Old Testament was definitely radical, the very nature of what you're saying doesn't seem "of God" or very lawful back then. Provide the exact verse(s) or it didn't happen.



      I don't think he'd pay much attention to it. He'd be too fascinated and/or afraid that he'd be speaking with a Chrononaut.
      It doesn't matter, I knew what passage she thought she was referring too already.

      Exodus 21;15 "He who strikes his mother or father shall surely be put to death"
      She got it ass backwards and completely missed the point. It doesn't say that it is okay to kill them, but that they will be put to death, which doesn't necessarily mean by another human.

      Minerva, if you had even half a clue about the things you try to talk about, you'd know that "the son of man" is one of the many names for Jesus.

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