Thread: So much trouble in the world

Originally Posted by guerilla

It seems, weve been fooled again...and again.

Obama will usher in the NWO, hes pretty much the front man, a happy smiling pretty face to fool us unfortunately....heres some interesting video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=andtgH9Nflo
Thats a radio clip of ron paul speaking about some disturbing things about obama.

For some reason embed doesn't work?


<object width="480" height="295"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/andtgH9Nflo&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/andtgH9Nflo&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="295"></embed></object>


Heck, even chuck norris says ron paul is right, it must be true!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs2sXsKZpmk

Even if this were true, you wouldn't do shit about it.

6 months ago I saw an Interview with a historian who was talking about that.

It was a lot more sincere. And, to be honest, quite frightening.
He mention a few things and concluded them seemingly logically.

When I wanted to return to check the facts that can easily be retraced,
the youtube video was gone and I was not able to find it, or anything
like this again.

On a different note:
Alex Jones is an idiot

[yt*]*andtgH9Nflo*[/*yt]
You have to do it like that. Without the star thingies. What you want to embed is the thing after the = on youtube videos.

Originally Posted by Rainman

How old are you, 12? Get some idiot with a microphone to spew out pure bullshit, and leave it to bigger idiots to belive them.

How many stupidass conspiracy theories such as this have you ever seen verified or come to pass?

Please find some evidence of any of this. Anyone can make anyone believe anything by just stating it as fact, and they can do that much more easily when they have their own radio show. It's just sad when people believe it.

We'll see whos the nut job when obama announces a new world currency and a new world central bank and the phasing out of the dollar, and our national sovereignty

Did you know about obamas 18-24 'youth brigades'

Their purpose is to go around communities and spy on us, being the nannies of america.



By change, he meant a change to a one world order, a change for the worse, not the better.


But don't listen to me, just blindly follow a leader like you always do, america.

The land of the sheep, home of the brainwashed.


I think you are the idiot for thinking its a conspiracy, do you honestly think hes going to fix the economy?

NO, hes going to do another useless stimulus package, which will create more inflation, more debt and make our dollar weaker and make our economy EVEN WORSE, so don't tell me about conspiracy theries, this is fucking reality buddy.

Wake up and smell the godamn coffee.


If Obama wanted to fix the economy, he would use an executive order to abolish the FED, which is the main culprit behind this recession and soon to be depression, the fed engineered every single recession and depression, they are manipulating us and give us the illusion of a free choice every 4 years, there is no such thing as a free choice you are choosing between two sides of the same godamn corrupt lying greedy coin.

Alex Jones is obviously mentally ill.

However, what's so bad about a one world government? Well, it would be great if it was a good government but it'll probably be mediocre like any other government. So really all you're saying is that a bigger turd is worse than a smaller turd... but both are turds either way... so who cares.

I think a world government under the current conditions and current world leaders would be a disaster and the end of freedom.


And I care, Id rather have a smaller incompetent government, then a giant fucking bullshit of a world government.

You think you pay alot of taxes now, wait till international taxes start rolling in.

National sovereignty is much better imo.

They obviously were all in on the world crises, all these central banks....central banks are the root of all these 'problems'

They make these crises, to scare us into submission...for their insane laws and ridiculous ideas.

and yea, alex is a little crazy but, he does make a ton of sense when his head isn't in the clouds....I usually only pay attention to what his guests are saying:

such as:

Ron Paul, Chuck Norris and some of the other congressmen who have appeared on his show before, I'm sure he cant be a complete nut job, if ron paul is discusssing this with him, or even chuck norris.

Originally Posted by guerilla

National sovereignty is much better imo.

I agree in a way. It all boils down to having weaker structures on a grander scale and more powerful structures the more local you get. Obviously you don't want to have the opposite - powerful structures on a grand scale. Which is what a world government would probably be - so I agree. I'm just saying - having certain institutions such as the EU and national governments to legislate basic things that make sense is good so long as it's really mostly about basic things with good intent. If you have a world government with only basic legislation and lots of power to the individuals and the communities then I'm all for it. But that's not even happening now with regular national government so yeah...

And as for world government... we already have the UN which is close enough. It's not like they're restricted to saying "OK, you have to value human rights to be a member", they legislate drug laws and shit like that which should be up to smaller scale government. They're already way too powerful. I don't want them abolished, just make it so that it's more about simple things like human rights and shit like that.

Ron Paul, Chuck Norris and some of the other congressmen who have appeared on his show before, I'm sure he cant be a complete nut job, if ron paul is discusssing this with him, or even chuck norris.

Chuck Norris is a dimwit redneck (he supported Huckabee) and Paul is himself a believer in these theories.

Originally Posted by guerilla

Heck, even chuck norris says ron paul is right, it must be true!

Haha dude... seriously?

Originally Posted by guerilla

Heck, even chuck norris says ron paul is right, it must be true!

Either:

a) You're a moron.

or

b) You have a lousy, outdated sense of humor.


Sorry, g. Just putting it like it is.

First off guerilla, while I'm a prominent believer that we're on our way to a New World Order and One World Government, you're an idiot.

You're not giving supporting evidence to your claims.
You're not sourcing anything except a single YouTube video.
You've based this belief system off this YouTube video.

And you don't seem to understand the terms your using, such as conspiracy

I think you are the idiot for thinking its a conspiracy, do you honestly think hes going to fix the economy?

con⋅spir⋅a⋅cy
   /kənˈspɪrəsi/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kuhn-spir-uh-see] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -cies.
1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.


Here you are putting out a conspiracy theory, and you're just as influenced against the word as those who think all conspiracy theorists are nut-jobs, by making a statement such as the one you did.

Its almost as if you're implying that conspiracies are crazy, nonexistent, and lies. Watergate anyone?

Support what you claim.
Link to your sources.
Learn proper vocabulary before you use it.

First off, the it must be true was just a lame attempt at a chuck norris joke, I haven't seen any chuck norris jokes so i wanted to make one!

And second exobyte, im not an idiot. No need to be so blunt and a jerk, but I guess thats just you.

Okay, guerilla, lets try reading. These are YOUR words:

Originally Posted by guerilla

I think you are the idiot for thinking its a conspiracy, do you honestly think hes going to fix the economy?

As exobyte pointed out:

con⋅spir⋅a⋅cy
   /kənˈspɪrəsi/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kuhn-spir-uh-see] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -cies.
1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.

Therefore, YOU think it's a conspiracy, I think it's bullshit, and yes, you're an idiot for spewing this crap out here. I am still waiting for you to back up any of what you're saying. I don't doubt the idea of a one world government. I'm open to valid "proof" in whatever form. Can you back this up?

No. Hence why the modern 12 year old shouldn't try to understand politics. Back up what you say. Any idiot can rant about any random situation or circumstance and make a conspiracy out of it. Do you believe the idiots who say there are aliens living among us posing as humans, and are plotting to take over? There are large groups of people who really believe that, and their bullshit is all on youtube too, along side alex jone's bullshit.

For the record, Chuck Norris is a fucking dolt, and the jokes that come with him are out dated and dumb.

None of the stuff is a conspiracy. All this stuff is out in the news everyday and stuff. All you have to do is pay attention. Look up some of the stuff yourself.

Originally Posted by Alric

None of the stuff is a conspiracy. All this stuff is out in the news everyday and stuff. All you have to do is pay attention. Look up some of the stuff yourself.

So either you're saying that it's not a made up theory, or you're saying that it's not by definition a conspiracy because a conspiracy implies the planning of something in secret.

Either way, that's not necessarily the case.

It is a conspiracy theory. It is a theory, because no one has yet dropped anything solid and concrete to support this. That said, I do believe mainstream media is poisoning the minds of the unsuspecting public. The most powerful weapon of mass mind control, the media is responsible for much of what we do, and our ignorances.

As I said, I'm open-minded about this, but I've yet to see anything overly compelling.

If you meant that it's not conspiracy because it's not a secret, that's wrong. Theoretically, if this were true, while much of this may be out in the open, no one knows about it. Therefore a secret.

I am saying a lot of it has been in the mainstream news, and people have spoken about it. Maybe all of it isn't common knowledge, but it is public knowledge, and there are sources to back up a lot of stuff.

Great, let's see some. As you, the believers of this theory, are trying to convince us, the non believers of this theory, why should we go look for facts to back up your conspiracy theory?

That's like me saying, "There's tons of factual evidence about aliens. It's all over the internet and the news, you just have to search for it".

Cspan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdwrU3Csi1E

La times http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...,368008.column

CNN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1AJ18Fp2zE

Here is one on digg
http://digg.com/politics/Obama_s_com...comes_explicit

Which stuff do you not believe is true? Thats just links on the compulsory civil service stuff. If you want me to do all the work for you, you need to narrow it down a little, on what you think isn't true. Now I never said it was all true, but a lot of it is fairly well known and provable.

Originally Posted by guerilla

And second exobyte, im not an idiot. No need to be so blunt and a jerk, but I guess thats just you.

Yes you are, and yes it is.

From virtually all sources, Obama has been hailed as the second coming. Media coverage has been almost 100&#37; positive, nay sycophantic, exalting this man whom most know almost nothing about, seemingly entirely upon the basis that his election is a symbolic milestone for black rights. Add some vacuous ideological rhetoric devoid of real ideas or plan - though whose intentions are ostensibly far nobler than that of the warmonger Bush - and suddenly Obama becomes the meek idealist, fighting to reclaim the country that Bush has spent the last 8 years pillaging.

The most comparable instance of this kind of railroading of public opinion would surely have to be Germany in 1933. Hitler was portrayed as being the only hope; the savior; the man of the moment following a prolonged crisis. I can’t help but feel disturbing parallels. Anyone who questions how Germany could have elected Hitler and yet voted for Obama is repeating history. The media is exalting a man whom most know virtually nothing about, whose policies consist of ambiguous rhetoric (at the very best) and whose voting record betrays him as an extreme left-liberal.

As a result of this manipulation, a man who in any other age would have been considered a dangerous degenerate, and would have been condemned during the Cold War for his Communist mentoring and Socialist/Marxist links and tendencies, is now being made out to be the saviour of the world. This is a man who attends what amounts to a black separatist church, and who has been accused of doing drugs and engaging in casual extramarital sex by a man who passed a polygraph test and a reverse speech analysis (despite claims to the contrary, he did pass the polygraph test, even if the results were not hugely decisive). And as for what little we know of his policies... Strap yourself in, folks!

I’m not going to engage in a debate on this. I’ve mostly given up political debate on the internet because the standard of discussion is usually comparable to the graffiti on a toilet wall. Just wanted to show some support for the truth.

And that Ron Paul interview was enlightening... I'm not sure I quite like Alex Jones' compartmentalising of the truth movement, but at least he's another commentator who knows what's going on.

Originally Posted by paragon

From virtually all sources, Obama has been hailed as the second coming. Media coverage has been almost 100&#37; positive, nay sycophantic, exalting this man whom most know almost nothing about, seemingly entirely upon the basis that his election is a symbolic milestone for black rights. Add some vacuous ideological rhetoric devoid of real ideas or plan - though whose intentions are ostensibly far nobler than that of the warmonger Bush - and suddenly Obama becomes the meek idealist, fighting to reclaim the country that Bush has spent the last 8 years pillaging.

The most comparable instance of this kind of railroading of public opinion would surely have to be Germany in 1933. Hitler was portrayed as being the only hope; the savior; the man of the moment following a prolonged crisis. I can’t help but feel disturbing parallels. Anyone who questions how Germany could have elected Hitler and yet voted for Obama is repeating history. The media is exalting a man whom most know virtually nothing about

WHAT IN THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? There's like 50 pages of material on Obama on Wikipedia alone. If you "know almost nothing about Obama" then that's because you didn't bother to inform yourself, simple as that. If "most" aren't properly informed then that's because "most" don't give a big enough damn to actually inform themselves about political issues and persons. What, do you want Sting to be the next president because he's a popular and attractive rock singer? And do you want him to sing "Desert Rose" or "Every Breath You Take" as his State of the Union address? I'd prefer the latter.

And who the fuck really knew anything about any previous president before they actually got the nomination? The only reason you're putting him under this ridiculously unfair scrutiny is either because he's black or because he's a president that people get excited about and you just like invoking Hitler for no fucking reason because - after all - it's the internet.

Just to make all the "I take life too serious" people happy, i'll say it...I don't have sources backing it up, and I never intended to...it never was my intention to prove anything or to convince anyone, the only purpose of this thread was to put the idea out there..

Only, instead of taking it as an idea, you took it as fact, and i never stated anything was fact, it was all OPINION.

So I get chased out of town by the nazi brigade here for being incorrect and making opinions.

Good luck not trying to come off as complete pricks this time.

Way to go the opinion crushing police here on dv, any more policing to do nannies?


Once again like I said, nothing i stated was intended to be fact, just personal opinion, personal prediction and personal ideas...but don't READ THAT, just ignore me as usual and continue on your witch hunts while being dashingly polite and respectful

Originally Posted by guerilla

So I get chased out of town by the nazi brigade here for being incorrect and making opinions.

Way to go the opinion crushing police here on dv, any more policing to do nannies?

Alright boys, cuff 'em.

lol, im glad atleast some humour remains

You're making claims about aspects of the world that do not directly pertain to yourself. "Cheetos taste good (to me)" is an opinion. "Obama will usher in the New World Order" is a claim. Claims need evidence. /thread