Thread: a very disgusting side of humans.

Originally Posted by Maeni

You got it wrong, I'm not saying we shouldn't fight pedophilia. But I don't think closing that site would be the best action. I mean, normal pedophiles go somewhere and lure the children with them. On this site, they just sit on their ass, and then the children flow into their homes all by themselves.

It's not the pedophiles on the site that's wrong, it's how the fuck did the children find their way there.

And REAL abusive pedophiles. That's a whole different case, and that's what we should be fighting. Aka, closing child porn sites, capturing the authors, etc etc.

And Denmark; legalize lolicon ffs, it makes no sense for drawings to be illegal. What the fuck can we then look at?

Allowing them to have safe chatrooms where they can try to lure children has an affect that just "luring them in person" doesn't have. It allows the child to spend extended periods of time with them. It allows the child (if unchecked - and you can't be up your kid's ass 24/7) to build something of a relationship with the pedo - to develop a sense of trust. To be manipulated for extended periods of time. There is much more that a pedophile can get out of a child, after talking to them for long periods of time, than they can get from just meeting them on the street and trying to lure them into a room...including access to your house, if the child trusts them so much.

I'm all for "safe havens" for people who are drug offenders and other 'victimless' acts, but I don't believe there should be any sort of leniency or "breathing room" given to pedophiles. Children are too fragile and impressionable to just sit idly by an allow hunting grounds like this to even exist.

I'm wondering what people expect people who are naturally attracted to children to do. I mean; what can they do? Just be entirely sexually repressed their whole lives seems sad.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

I'm wondering what people expect people who are naturally attracted to children to do. I mean; what can they do? Just be entirely sexually repressed their whole lives seems sad.

Ok, so these people are naturally attracted to children.
Should we make it so that it's ok for them to prey upon them? Should we accommodate them? How about a child escort service, so they can get their rocks off?

So the pedophiles being entirely sexually repressed their whole lives seems sad, but the children - whose lives are being turned upside down forever after being molested, raped (and often killed) by pedophiles - and their subsequent plight isn't?

Weigh it.

Personally - to answer your question - I couldn't give a fuck less "what they do," as long as it doesn't involve trying to lure peoples' children into bed with them.

It's interesting that everyone here who isn't "Rah, boo, shut the chat-room down" is outside the US

Originally Posted by Ynot

It's interesting that everyone here who isn't "Rah, boo, shut the chat-room down" is outside the US

It's interesting that you don't take into account that the main voice of "Rah, boo, shut the chat-room down" (myself) is the only one here who (I believe) has a child.

I don't give a damn if I was in kuwait. I'm not going to just "be ok" with anything that makes it easier for 40 year old pedophiles to try to lure my daughter into bed with them.

Originally Posted by Ynot

It's interesting that everyone here who isn't "Rah, boo, shut the chat-room down" is outside the US

This is odd.

And true, it seems.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Ok, so these people are naturally attracted to children.
Should we make it so that it's ok for them to prey upon them? Should we accommodate them? How about a child escort service, so they can get their rocks off?

So the pedophiles being entirely sexually repressed their whole lives seems sad, but the children - whose lives are being turned upside down forever after being molested, raped (and often killed) by pedophiles - and their subsequent plight isn't?

Weigh it.

Personally - to answer your question - I couldn't give a fuck less "what they do," as long as it doesn't involve trying to lure peoples' children into bed with them.

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Sure it may be wrong and most of them probably hate themselves for it.

So shun them further out of society? I don't know.

Seems somehow like it isn't going to help things.


I'm all for protecting children, my question is how society should treat a completely peaceful nice person [with no intentions of carrying out anything] who happens to be attracted to children.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

I'm all for protecting children, my question is how society should treat a completely peaceful nice person [with no intentions of carrying out anything] who happens to be attracted to children.

That's not something I believe I'm prepared to answer. I will put the mental stability of a child over the sexual whimsy of an adult any day.

To me, the question is like asking "Well, what do we expect thugs who are addicted to money to do? Stop killing people and taking their stuff??" I say: Protect the innocent first. Those who are too inhumane to realize the consequences of their petty desires are putting themselves over those who don't deserve such imposition. Their selfishness makes them less and less worthy of my sympathy - especially when children are the victims.

Hell, I'm all for giving them access to child pornography, before actually letting them have contact with children.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

That's not something I believe I'm prepared to answer. I will put the mental stability of a child over the sexual whimsy of an adult any day.

And of those children that desire such things..?

To me, the question is like asking "Well, what do we expect thugs who are addicted to money to do? Stop killing people and taking their stuff??" I say: Protect the innocent first. Those who are too inhumane to realize the consequences of their petty desires are putting themselves over those who don't deserve such imposition. Their selfishness makes them less and less worthy of my sympathy - especially when children are the victims.

That is different. Being addicted to money is something external of biology. You wouldn't use this analogy for a homosexual, would you?

And the question still remains; how do you help those that are attracted to them but don't act on it?

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I really don't see them as a priority. Society has much more to work out (which will take an eternity) before we ever consider the special "needs" of the weird. They fend for themselves as we all must. Life is pain.

Originally Posted by O'nus

And of those children that desire such things..?

And of those children that "desire" committing homicide? There is only so much "desire" that is genetic. Most of it is indoctrinated. Why do we have age restrictions? Because the brain develops in stages. Children are not expected to fully know the consequences of their actions, or the alleged dangers of their interests.

If your 10 year old was dead set on leaving your home and traveling the world on her on, own the street, without yours or any other adult's guidance...would you just help pack her bags?

Kids don't always get what they want. Such is the basis of parenting.

Originally Posted by O'nus

That is different. Being addicted to money is something external of biology. You wouldn't use this analogy for a homosexual, would you?

As long as the relationship had to do with consenting adults, I couldn't care less. As I said, the problem comes when you put yourself before the well-being of others. Children that age are just not prepared for all the consequences that come with sexual activity...much less for that which comes from a "relationship" with a fully-developed adult. I do not see anything "wrong" with people being attracted to people of the same sex. Fundamentally, I don't see anything "wrong" with people being attracted to children. I do see something wrong with pedophiles foregoing the "attraction" stage and moving into the contact, courtship and potential sexual encounter stages.

Originally Posted by O'nus

And the question still remains; how do you help those that are attracted to them but don't act on it?
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I don't know, but you can bet that I'm going to help the children stay away from that sort of situation before I'm going to help the adult get a hold on their lust. One, to me, is far more important than the other.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Hell, I'm all for giving them access to child pornography, before actually letting them have contact with children.

Yeah.. this is an interesting compromise.. the question is obviously "How do you make the pornography?"....

It's no wonder why there are lot's of cases in which admitted pedophiles end up committing suicide..

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Originally Posted by Carôusoul

I'm wondering what people expect people who are naturally attracted to children to do. I mean; what can they do? Just be entirely sexually repressed their whole lives seems sad.

The same thing alcoholics do in trying to avoid getting drunk. They have treatment options, support groups, and can learn to avoid situations where they could get into trouble. A recovering alcoholic shouldn't go into a bar and a recovering pedophile shouldn't go into a school.

Originally Posted by Amethyst Star

The same thing alcoholics do in trying to avoid getting drunk. They have treatment options, support groups, and can learn to avoid situations where they could get into trouble. A recovering alcoholic shouldn't go into a bar and a recovering pedophile shouldn't go into a school.

Its far easier to get off an external drug addiction.. than to change your sexuality.

Obviously from the child's / concerned parents POV, the answer is education
don't reveal any personal information (or lie, which is often easier)
If you must reveal personal information over the internet to someone, encrypt it (PGP)
make sure that known friends are who they say they are (signed messages, again, PGP)
If you don't want to talk to someone, just ignore them

Yet still, alcohol is not banned. I'd say more people are affected from alcoholism than someone who likes children sitting at a desk in his basement.

Obviously someone's not going to trust that their child has great judgement over something in this modern world, so the way is to educate, and the same applies to pedophilia.
Educate them to see the choices. Telling someone not to do something doesn't work, they have to understand why they don't want to do it, and not because there's some law there, because that's circular reasoning.

You can't force people to do something. They have to make the choice themselves. That is, unless you plan on taking their freedom away on the idea that they may, which is the same "disgusting side" of humans as if a pedophile decides to rape a child.

Edit: You people type fast, I was replying to Ame's post. -goes to work-

Originally Posted by ClouD

You can't force people to do something. They have to make the choice themselves. That is, unless you plan on taking their freedom away on the idea that they may, which is the same "disgusting side" of humans as if a pedophile decides to rape a child.

Edit: You people type fast, I was replying to Ame's post. -goes to work-

This isn't about taking the child's freedom away. This is about taking the freedom for a pedophile to prey upon a small child away. There is a huge difference. There is only so much you can do to educate your child, but there is another angle at which you can attack the problem - that is at the source. This is the reason we have police officers and a military. Just telling people to "stay away from dark alleys" is not enough to stop them from getting mugged. Sometimes you actually have to go after the muggers.

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Ugh, I might have to give it a rest, too. I understand the whole Devil's Advocate thing, but this thread is seriously beginning to kill my buzz.
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