Thread: a very disgusting side of humans.

is it wrong that I don't find anything "disgusting" about this?

the place is full of pedo's. that's sick enough. you could make some $$ fishing these guys out with crime stoppers.

Originally Posted by Ynot

is it wrong that I don't find anything "disgusting" about this?

Yes. I'd be worried if I didn't find pedophilia disgusting.

As Foucault said, there will always be this sexual side of people. Censoring it, suppressing it, nothing will or has ever stopped it.

Ever since Tiberius and his island of boys to molest, to Marquis de Sade and his theaters of flesh, to the pedophiles of today - there is always a vast sexual side to humans.

Do we accept this? Or, do we try to annihilate it?

I'm not even sure how to feel about this now.. it's like pushing down a red oak tree that's older than the human race.

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Haha, I laughed.

It looks hot.


And on a more serious note: If 11 year old people go there, they fucking deserve rape.
That's the parents fault for not observing where they go.

Gotta watch where you step in the wild wild webs.

Originally Posted by De-lousedInTheComatorium

Yes. I'd be worried if I didn't find pedophilia disgusting.

Hey there

Originally Posted by Ynot

is it wrong that I don't find anything "disgusting" about this?

Yes.

Originally Posted by O'nus

Do we accept this? Or, do we try to annihilate it?

Ask that set of questions after your 11 year old daughter has been ensnared by a pedophile.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Ask that set of questions after your 11 year old daughter has been ensnared by a pedophile.

I'd be an ass for letting her go there.
And she would be fucking stupid.


I'm not protecting the abusive pedophiles, don't think that.
I'm just saying that nobody is being forced anywhere, the 11 year olds can click the red button up in the right corner and woopy doopy doo, pedo pedo gone.

Originally Posted by Maeni

I'd be an ass for letting her go there.
And she would be fucking stupid.

You'd be naive to think you can dictate everything your child does.

And even more naive to think that kids don't do stupid things every day.

And even MORE naive to think that this kind of activity doesn't happen in even the most inconspicuous places.

Originally Posted by Maeni

I'm not protecting the abusive pedophiles, don't think that.
I'm just saying that nobody is being forced anywhere, the 11 year olds can click the red button up in the right corner and woopy doopy doo, pedo pedo gone.

No offense, but you apparently don't know too much about children. Many times, they don't understand what's actually wrong with an act, until it's too late. It's called the Learning Experience, and it's often deadly.

This is obviously wrong. I don't see any question about it. I think pedophilia is a deviation from what nature intended.

Well ofcourse, now, I'm 16 year old so I don't know how it goes, but I think I'm supposed to teach my children that going to such sites is a bad idea.

And hopefully it will work, if not, it's a problem to solve.


EDIT: Oh gawd I feel attacked in this thread.

Originally Posted by De-lousedInTheComatorium

This is obviously wrong. I don't see any question about it. I think pedophilia is a deviation from what nature intended.

Yeah, and so is homesexuals.

It's hard to change.

Originally Posted by Maeni

Well ofcourse, now, I'm 16 year old so I don't know how it goes, but I think I'm supposed to teach my children that going to such sites is a bad idea.

And hopefully it will work, if not, it's a problem to solve.

So, I have to ask:

Did you always do everything your parents told you / taught you?

Originally Posted by Maeni

EDIT: Oh gawd I feel attacked in this thread.

I don't think anyone is attacking you - just your understanding of the situation.

Of course paedophilia is wrong

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Well,
I guess you have a different view point on the whole chat-room thing when you grew up using BBS's

anyway

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Ask that set of questions after your 11 year old daughter has been ensnared by a pedophile.

Come on, man. I didn't mean it like that. Don't paint me up like that.

Originally Posted by Maeni

I'd be an ass for letting her go there.
And she would be fucking stupid.

My original point was that; it doesn't matter how hard you try sometimes. For example, do you think you can suppress someones homosexuality?

Originally Posted by Maeni

Well ofcourse, now, I'm 16 year old so I don't know how it goes, but I think I'm supposed to teach my children that going to such sites is a bad idea.

And hopefully it will work, if not, it's a problem to solve.
Yeah, and so is homesexuals.

It's hard to change.

Exactly.

My questions were intended for, "What can you do?". It's like trying to wipe homosexuality off the picture - it just doesn't work.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

My questions were intended for, "What can you do?". It's like trying to wipe homosexuality off the picture - it just doesn't work.

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Yeah, but there's a difference between two people of the same sex who are both at a certain age, and an old, experienced pedophile with a young inexperienced child. In homosexuality nothing is being taken advantage of, but in pedophilia the pedophile is taking advantage of the immaturity of the child.

And there's not anything you can do to take every pedophile off of the map, but I get a smile on my face when I see pedophiles who start crying on Dateline's To Catch a Predator, because they've been caught with their pants down and embarassed on national television.

Originally Posted by O'nus

Come on, man. I didn't mean it like that. Don't paint me up like that.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I wasn't trying to make it look like you actually promoted that sort of thing. I understand exactly what you were trying to say.

My point is that some things are worth fighting against, no matter whether or not you can actually stamp out the problem. We will no more easily get rid of pedophiles than we will get rid of murderers. But would you not prevent a single, cold-blooded murder of an innocent, if it was within your power? Do you just ignore each individual case, simply because of the fact that the overall problem will never go away?

Originally Posted by O'nus

Exactly.

My questions were intended for, "What can you do?". It's like trying to wipe homosexuality off the picture - it just doesn't work.

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Yeah, I don't think I can change my sexuality.

But I can, however, keep myself from doing horrible stuff to innocent people.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

So, I have to ask:

Did you always do everything your parents told you / taught you?



I don't think anyone is attacking you - just your understanding of the situation.

Sorry, I'm being hasty with my posts, and I'm still in a "hasty-mode" so let me cool down and come back later

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

My point is that some things are worth fighting against, no matter whether or not you can actually stamp out the problem. We will no more easily get rid of pedophiles than we will get rid of murderers. But would you not prevent a single, cold-blooded murder of an innocent, if it was within your power? Do you just ignore each individual case, simply because of the fact that the overall problem will never go away?

You got it wrong, I'm not saying we shouldn't fight pedophilia. But I don't think closing that site would be the best action. I mean, normal pedophiles go somewhere and lure the children with them. On this site, they just sit on their ass, and then the children flow into their homes all by themselves.

It's not the pedophiles on the site that's wrong, it's how the fuck did the children find their way there.

And REAL abusive pedophiles. That's a whole different case, and that's what we should be fighting. Aka, closing child porn sites, capturing the authors, etc etc.

And Denmark; legalize lolicon ffs, it makes no sense for drawings to be illegal. What the fuck can we then look at?

I'm going to get a T-shirt made

"I survived FidoNet,
and you're worried about a little chat-room?"

Originally Posted by Maeni

You got it wrong, I'm not saying we shouldn't fight pedophilia. But I don't think closing that site would be the best action. I mean, normal pedophiles go somewhere and lure the children with them. On this site, they just sit on their ass, and then the children flow into their homes all by themselves.

It's not the pedophiles on the site that's wrong, it's how the fuck did the children find their way there.

And REAL abusive pedophiles. That's a whole different case, and that's what we should be fighting. Aka, closing child porn sites, capturing the authors, etc etc.

And Denmark; legalize lolicon ffs, it makes no sense for drawings to be illegal. What the fuck can we then look at?

Allowing them to have safe chatrooms where they can try to lure children has an affect that just "luring them in person" doesn't have. It allows the child to spend extended periods of time with them. It allows the child (if unchecked - and you can't be up your kid's ass 24/7) to build something of a relationship with the pedo - to develop a sense of trust. To be manipulated for extended periods of time. There is much more that a pedophile can get out of a child, after talking to them for long periods of time, than they can get from just meeting them on the street and trying to lure them into a room...including access to your house, if the child trusts them so much.

I'm all for "safe havens" for people who are drug offenders and other 'victimless' acts, but I don't believe there should be any sort of leniency or "breathing room" given to pedophiles. Children are too fragile and impressionable to just sit idly by an allow hunting grounds like this to even exist.

I'm wondering what people expect people who are naturally attracted to children to do. I mean; what can they do? Just be entirely sexually repressed their whole lives seems sad.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

I'm wondering what people expect people who are naturally attracted to children to do. I mean; what can they do? Just be entirely sexually repressed their whole lives seems sad.

Ok, so these people are naturally attracted to children.
Should we make it so that it's ok for them to prey upon them? Should we accommodate them? How about a child escort service, so they can get their rocks off?

So the pedophiles being entirely sexually repressed their whole lives seems sad, but the children - whose lives are being turned upside down forever after being molested, raped (and often killed) by pedophiles - and their subsequent plight isn't?

Weigh it.

Personally - to answer your question - I couldn't give a fuck less "what they do," as long as it doesn't involve trying to lure peoples' children into bed with them.

It's interesting that everyone here who isn't "Rah, boo, shut the chat-room down" is outside the US

Originally Posted by Ynot

It's interesting that everyone here who isn't "Rah, boo, shut the chat-room down" is outside the US

It's interesting that you don't take into account that the main voice of "Rah, boo, shut the chat-room down" (myself) is the only one here who (I believe) has a child.

I don't give a damn if I was in kuwait. I'm not going to just "be ok" with anything that makes it easier for 40 year old pedophiles to try to lure my daughter into bed with them.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Ok, so these people are naturally attracted to children.
Should we make it so that it's ok for them to prey upon them? Should we accommodate them? How about a child escort service, so they can get their rocks off?

So the pedophiles being entirely sexually repressed their whole lives seems sad, but the children - whose lives are being turned upside down forever after being molested, raped (and often killed) by pedophiles - and their subsequent plight isn't?

Weigh it.

Personally - to answer your question - I couldn't give a fuck less "what they do," as long as it doesn't involve trying to lure peoples' children into bed with them.

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Sure it may be wrong and most of them probably hate themselves for it.

So shun them further out of society? I don't know.

Seems somehow like it isn't going to help things.


I'm all for protecting children, my question is how society should treat a completely peaceful nice person [with no intentions of carrying out anything] who happens to be attracted to children.

Originally Posted by De-lousedInTheComatorium

Yeah, but there's a difference between two people of the same sex who are both at a certain age, and an old, experienced pedophile with a young inexperienced child. In homosexuality nothing is being taken advantage of, but in pedophilia the pedophile is taking advantage of the immaturity of the child.

You think I have not heard this argument before? It's the same reasons why religious people should not manipulate their children. I know this.

The unfortunate truth is that there are actually some children out there who genuinely want this. What do you do about them? It's not something we want to face or admit, but there are people who want it.

Of course, taking advantage of someones will is always wrong. However, what about the cases in which there is no manipulation?

And there's not anything you can do to take every pedophile off of the map, but I get a smile on my face when I see pedophiles who start crying on Dateline's To Catch a Predator, because they've been caught with their pants down and embarassed on national television.

Now imagine how they feel at your laughter. Some of these people truly know what they are doing is wrong, but they cannot help it. It's like being addicted to a drug that's ruining your life. They want to seek help, but there's so much ridicule that it's even hard to admit that they have this problem without someone making fun of them for it.

My point here is really that ridiculing never helps. Although it may be wrong, we shouldn't assume that they are all intrinsically evil for doing such things.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Oh, don't get me wrong. I wasn't trying to make it look like you actually promoted that sort of thing. I understand exactly what you were trying to say.

My point is that some things are worth fighting against, no matter whether or not you can actually stamp out the problem. We will no more easily get rid of pedophiles than we will get rid of murderers. But would you not prevent a single, cold-blooded murder of an innocent, if it was within your power? Do you just ignore each individual case, simply because of the fact that the overall problem will never go away?

Well, as I said before, there are cases in which the two parties both do not want intervention. What about those?

We can regulate it as much as we want and try to suppress it, but how much time is going to be spent in this? It is going to happen whether you like it or not, no matter how much effort is being put into stopping it.

Perhaps what might help is actually offering a sense of community for those that realize what they are doing is wrong. Some take it too far and some do need coercive help.

I'm really not sure what to say on the matter. I don't think the way in which people treat pedophiles helps though. I have a fetish and it is really mild, yet I get made fun of it a lot whenever mentioned. I can't imagine how someone who knows that they do not like their fetish, wants to get rid of it, but can't even admit it without being ridiculed feels.

Even after therapy is put to place, there's still ridiculing done. Just take a look at "A Clockwork Orange" which does a beautiful job of showing just how unforgiving people can be. (Yes, it is just a movie, but I'd rather source that as a demonstration of people's behaviour than actual behaviour.. unless you want me to).

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

I'm all for protecting children, my question is how society should treat a completely peaceful nice person [with no intentions of carrying out anything] who happens to be attracted to children.

Well said. My thoughts exactly.

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