Thread: a very disgusting side of humans.

Originally Posted by invader_tech

I suppose that would be a good thing for us then.


No mercy, friend. No mercy.

i couldn't believe how easy it was. he mentioned something about it so i said something like. "tell me how it happened and I'll imagine i'm with you."

and then he told me. you just gotta play into their desires.

Originally Posted by ranma187

i couldn't believe how easy it was. he mentioned something about it so i said something like. "tell me how it happened and I'll imagine i'm with you."

and then he told me. you just gotta play into their desires.

You're getting off on this, aren't you.

now dont get mad at me when I say this...because I think all the serious stuff has been said, but....

I found it amusing how fast all of those pms came up! It was seriously like when a pet hears the food pour, and they come skidding in to the kitchen. Some of the lines he used were hilarious too. Im going to let you guys debate on the subject, but I thought this thread could use a little freshening

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

You're getting off on this, aren't you.

i wouldn't say that i just need the cash. It's called acting. and over the internet it's easy.

Originally Posted by O'nus

You think I have not heard this argument before? It's the same reasons why religious people should not manipulate their children. I know this.

The unfortunate truth is that there are actually some children out there who genuinely want this. What do you do about them? It's not something we want to face or admit, but there are people who want it.

Of course, taking advantage of someones will is always wrong. However, what about the cases in which there is no manipulation?



Now imagine how they feel at your laughter. Some of these people truly know what they are doing is wrong, but they cannot help it. It's like being addicted to a drug that's ruining your life. They want to seek help, but there's so much ridicule that it's even hard to admit that they have this problem without someone making fun of them for it.

My point here is really that ridiculing never helps. Although it may be wrong, we shouldn't assume that they are all intrinsically evil for doing such things.



Well, as I said before, there are cases in which the two parties both do not want intervention. What about those?

We can regulate it as much as we want and try to suppress it, but how much time is going to be spent in this? It is going to happen whether you like it or not, no matter how much effort is being put into stopping it.

Perhaps what might help is actually offering a sense of community for those that realize what they are doing is wrong. Some take it too far and some do need coercive help.

I'm really not sure what to say on the matter. I don't think the way in which people treat pedophiles helps though. I have a fetish and it is really mild, yet I get made fun of it a lot whenever mentioned. I can't imagine how someone who knows that they do not like their fetish, wants to get rid of it, but can't even admit it without being ridiculed feels.

Even after therapy is put to place, there's still ridiculing done. Just take a look at "A Clockwork Orange" which does a beautiful job of showing just how unforgiving people can be. (Yes, it is just a movie, but I'd rather source that as a demonstration of people's behaviour than actual behaviour.. unless you want me to).





Well said. My thoughts exactly.

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Thank you, I love you.
Bolded part; I'm doing this atm. I told my teacher I have a problem, now I just got to pull myself to tell her what it is.

And I'm not sure what I think about that chat site anymore..

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

That's not something I believe I'm prepared to answer. I will put the mental stability of a child over the sexual whimsy of an adult any day.

To me, the question is like asking "Well, what do we expect thugs who are addicted to money to do? Stop killing people and taking their stuff??" I say: Protect the innocent first. Those who are too inhumane to realize the consequences of their petty desires are putting themselves over those who don't deserve such imposition. Their selfishness makes them less and less worthy of my sympathy - especially when children are the victims.

I'm innocent, and I'm a pedophile.
I have no intentions to hurt anybody, infact, I'm all for donating to "Red Barnet" (Save the Child in english) and Chris Hansen is awesome, and capturing the child porn creators, etc etc.

Hell, I'm all for giving them access to child pornography, before actually letting them have contact with children.

But children get hurt in the making of child porn too.
Now I could actually claim to be more morally right than you about this, even though I'm the pedophile. I will not ever even consider allowing real child porn, or watching it.

Originally Posted by Amethyst Star

The same thing alcoholics do in trying to avoid getting drunk. They have treatment options, support groups, and can learn to avoid situations where they could get into trouble. A recovering alcoholic shouldn't go into a bar and a recovering pedophile shouldn't go into a school.

I go to school, hurf hurf hurf. [/nonserious]

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

This point is actually irrelevant to the thread, which is one reason I'm comfortable with not answering it. Pedophiles that want help can seek it, and they can get it. As Ame so rightly said, there are support groups and programs all over the place that will attempt to help pedophiles with their situation. Pedophiles that want help do not go trolling chatrooms, trying to show 11 year old girls their dicks.

Link plz. Red Barnet has a phone line that is open 2 days a week
It's there, yes, but all over the place, hell fucking no.


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Holy shit, this thread grew like I don't know. I'm just posting this, and then I will read the posts in here...

EDIT:
[Insert everything O'nus have said so far here]

SexiGirlInBlack: Big!
SexiGirlInBlack: Real Big!
wertPoo9: souds good

Pedoboy does not approve of big breasts

Your debates are really interesting, but let me hopefully shed a different kind of light on the situation. I'm 22 now, and when I was 11 I visited chats just like the one in the video (of which I only watched half.. I'm assuming I'm not missing anything too important from the second half).

My parents are really good people, very protective, know right from wrong, but they never really knew much about the internet, so it was very easy for me to do what I wanted.

So I played around on those teen chat sites, usually claiming to be a couple of years older than I actually was, and I admit it was entertaining for me at the time... I don't know if the people who PMed me were pedophiles or if they were just other bored teens/preteens... But as time passed I got bored with online chats, moved on with my life, and I was always safe, both physically and psychologically.

Kids are going to do sexual things whether you want them to or not, and I think these kinds of chats are, on the whole, relatively harmless, and that's assuming that kids giving out their addresses and then for real getting stalked by strange men doesn't happen too often.

Meh.

Originally Posted by Ynot

]You know
everyone in that chat-room might be baiting each other in order to win $2k

there's probably not any kids in there at all
(they're all playing counterstrike)

THIS.

Originally Posted by ranma187

my first victim already admitted to molesting a young a girl. i wish i had saved the chat log damn. that would have been compelling evidence.

Obviously there are criminals out there who are dumb enough to admit their stupid shit to complete strangers, BUT there are also plenty of people who just talk out of their ass to try to seem more impressive than they will ever be in real life.

You never really know who's telling the truth and who isn't. There are some crazy compulsive liars out there...

I'd just like to post this, even though it isn't DIRECTLY on-topic. But it is on the topic of my pedophilia, and it might be interesting to read.

I just learned something that might be a very important clue as to why I am like I am.
I was talking to my friend about it all, discussing what the problem could be, and the possibilities why it could be like this.


I had it in my mind that I was kinda repelled by normal porn, but I couldn't really explain with words what about it that I didn't like.

But then I tried to remember the front page of Redtube and such, and I remembered the titles of many of these videos.

In every word, there are associations. When I say the word "Hardcore" the first thing that pops up in my head is a concept. After that, I start to get ideas and pictures in my mind about what this word might be.

I believe these words are really important to my sexuality.

So I opened up Photoshop and listed some words. On one side, I put:

Hardcore
Porn
Orgy
Cum
Tits
Dirty
Cock
(...there were more :v)

And on the other side, I put

Cute
Innocent
Child
Pure

I tried to look at each word, and quickly grab the concept that first popped up in my head. Then I colored the word and sized it to match the concept.

Red was the bad, and green was the attractive ones.

Hardcore, Porn and Cum turned out really big and red.
Cute and Innocent turned out really big and green. The others were somewhat inbetween. But It's safe to say that all the red ones had a really bad concept to them in my head. Concepts that really disgusted me.

This leads me to believe that I wasn't drawn to lolicon in the first place, but rather, I was scared away from the 'normal porn' because of all the porn where the girl is as dirty as can be, moaning like a bitch, and as 'sex object' as possible.

(Ofcourse, I can still 'watch' that, but lolicon beats it by far.)

So, then I began watching anime, and discovered the concepts of anime characters. They were the green words, and I was instantly more attracted to these than I was to the redtube-type porn.

It's the innocence, purity and the cute appearance that I'm attracted to. And repelled by the concepts that are in the red words.

This is why there's alot of lolicon I don't like either. When it gets too hardcore or too dirty, or if the character is dressed up in bitch-like clothing.

I think it's because of the concepts in those words

[Disclaimer: TEMPORARY EXPLAINATION.]
If you think I'm wrong, you might very well be right.
Tell me how I'm wrong, because I'm still really confused about all this :V


I just thought I'd throw this out, since we're already just discussing pedophiles and pedophilia loosely.

Maeni, if what you say is the case, then what about non-nude porn? There are many successful porn sites that function off of the "beautiful girl, non-nude" image.

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

You'd be naive to think you can dictate everything your child does.

And even more naive to think that kids don't do stupid things every day.

And even MORE naive to think that this kind of activity doesn't happen in even the most inconspicuous places.



No offense, but you apparently don't know too much about children. Many times, they don't understand what's actually wrong with an act, until it's too late. It's called the Learning Experience, and it's often deadly.

I'm sorry O, but if anyone has an 11 year old daughter who is going online with a screen name like 11 year old sluuuuut then the break down is obviously on the parent's end. This isn't the best example to argue your standpoint on.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

I'm sorry O, but if anyone has an 11 year old daughter who is going online with a screen name like 11 year old sluuuuut then the break down is obviously on the parent's end. This isn't the best example to argue your standpoint on.

Kids aren't influenced solely by the parents though.

Originally Posted by De-lousedInTheComatorium

Kids aren't influenced solely by the parents though.

It doesn't matter.

A) A parent should be aware enough of their child to know if their 11 year old wants to be associated with the word slut.

B) A parent should be trusted and respected enough by their 11 year old so that they can easily explain to a child who thinks they do want to be associated with the word slut that they really don't and all of the reasons why they don't.

C) Even though this is almost never the case, a parent should know more about the family computer than their 11 year old child

D) If a parent knows that their child is the type to do this (which they should if the kid is 11 years old) then they should know enough to restrict their internet use.


If any of these things isn't true it means the parent doesn't pay attention to their child, doesn't communicate with their child and lets the child have unrestricted access to a potentially dangerous medium of communication

Translation = Extremely bad parenting.

Also for those who have said a parent can't know what a child is doing all the time, O and maybe others (didn't read every post). When it comes to an 11 year old child and the vast reaches of the internet, a parent can and should know what their child is doing all of the time.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

It doesn't matter.

A) A parent should be aware enough of their child to know if their 11 year old wants to be associated with the word slut.

B) A parent should be trusted and respected enough by their 11 year old so that they can easily explain to a child who thinks they do want to be associated with the word slut that they really don't and all of the reasons why they don't.

C) Even though this is almost never the case, a parent should know more about the family computer than their 11 year old child

D) If a parent knows that their child is the type to do this (which they should if the kid is 11 years old) then they should know enough to restrict their internet use.


If any of these things isn't true it means the parent doesn't pay attention to their child, doesn't communicate with their child and lets the child have unrestricted access to a potentially dangerous medium of communication

Translation = Extremely bad parenting.

Also for those who have said a parent can't know what a child is doing all the time, O and maybe others (didn't read every post). When it comes to an 11 year old child and the vast reaches of the internet, a parent can and should know what their child is doing all of the time.

I agree totally, that was what I was looking for back when I said that the eleven year old that went there would deserve rape.

That's what I said. What Xaqaria said is what I meant.
I really suck with my words lately

The difference between what I said and what you said is that I realize that at 11, one really can't be held accountable for most of their actions.

It would be the parent that deserves rape, preferably by painful sodomization.

Originally Posted by Maeni

I agree totally, that was what I was looking for back when I said that the eleven year old that went there would deserve rape.

That's what I said. What Xaqaria said is what I meant.
I really suck with my words lately

Yeah, you said that an "eleven year old" deserves rape. Think about that for a second. An "eleven year old."

I say stupid stuff sometimes.
Thats why you hit me with a brick, tell me I'm wrong and then forget about it.
EDIT: Unless I argue, ofcourse, in which case Discussion should be used :V

It would indeed be the parents that deserved rape.

I find it humorous that the very people who argue against pedophilia are the same people who argue for rape. Eventually you'll just turn full circle and end up like those you are criticizing.

Originally Posted by Daniel Danciu

I find it humorous that the very people who argue against pedophilia are the same people who argue for rape. Eventually you'll just turn full circle and end up like those you are criticizing.

If you think anyone here is really arguing for pedophilia or rape, then you haven't been paying much attention.

I'm argueing for pedophilia.


But definetly not for child pornography, child abuse, stalking, whatever.

I wonder if anyone here will have the balls to admit having looked at child porn?

I did when I was 12-14 and just discovered Limewire. The thought of "old people" naked grossed me out, I wanted to see people my own age.

Since then my tastes have matured, thankfully.

I watched a clip once. It was on a youtube-like page. It was supposedly a page filled with all kinds of porn from everywhere.

And it had cp, right there, on the main page.

It was. Well... Disturbing. (Can't say I wasn't aroused though D: )
(She was messed up with powder and slut-like clothing, holy fuck I don't even want to know what kind of life she lives ;_; Poor girl)

Not very pleasing actually. Not pleasing at all.

But I admit that I didn't stop it right away, I closed it after about 7-10 seconds of it. That was enough. More than enough.

Curiosity got me, huge mistake on my part, and I've never seen anything else than that.

Even though I think I learned from that, I'm still going to stay the fuck away from Limewire and such. Do not want "curiousity to get me" again.


I really feel bad about this ;;
Never again.


EDIT: Are we sliding outside the rules?

This is a discussion about pedophilia Maeni, not a promotion of illegal material, I'd say you're within the rules.

Well that's good then :V

I hope teh party van doesn't show up :V

EDIT:

Originally Posted by O'nus

Maeni, if what you say is the case, then what about non-nude porn? There are many successful porn sites that function off of the "beautiful girl, non-nude" image.

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Not sure, but in my imagination, it doesn't work. The concepts from those words are still there. (Ofcourse, it's not all about the words, but more the feeling the picture sends.)
I really don't know. I mean it's not like I CAN'T get horny from boobs and adult women. But it's just not best

Urck. I kinda feel like telling my teacher right now, so I can get some help and cool my head down again =_=
I think way too much about this. Sometimes, I think I'm destroying the image I have of myself with these things.

I was imagining a scenario where I was in Fallout 3, and imagined if I had been in Billy Creel's place (A guy that found a little girl in the Wasteland, where some raiders had killed the parents.)
So I kinda imagined, what could happen if I stepped into a house, alone with a little girl where the parents were dead.

My head went wild.

Then I took a few steps back, looked at those stories I had and finally realized how fucking unrealistic and stupid they were.
Actually, I think I care more about children then alot of the people in my class and generally the people I know.
I don't know. But when I take these steps back, I want to be a father ;_;

*imaginary self lays down on the cold concrete floor - face down.*
;_;



*takes a few steps back.*
Haha, look at me, what I just wrote looks like typical teenage bullshit.
Confused about myself, confused about sexuality, feeling emo.
If just my pedophilia is part of the teenage rush too, then I'll be happy.
Make it go away
Somebody hug me
;_;

*listens to Dango Daikazoku for ultimate sad level*

How old are you Maeni?

16 as mentioned before.

That's why I'm thinking typical teenage bullshit, obviously >_>
But still, it's really tearing me up. Teenage bullshit or not, it's still a problem for me.