Thread: US Marine Throws Puppy Over Cliff

Originally Posted by Marvo

I can't begin to express how pathetic you people are. A dying puppy was thrown from a cliff, to its certain death (don't bullshit me, an animal of such a size wouldn't survive any kind huge drop) and you're all throwing a shitfit and going on about how the marines are sick psychopaths. You might aswell go yell at little Timmy who burns ants with his magnifying glass.

What amazing Fail.

What's pathetic is your trying to justify what they did by using an analogy that shows that you not only don't know the difference between the cognitive states of a dog and an ant, but replaces the two, full-grown offenders with "little Timmy."

Please. If you're going to be such a dick in your next post, display a little more logic than that. (Then, for your own benefit, go back and edit your post and take out the part where you're being such a dick.)

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

What amazing Fail.

What's pathetic is your trying to justify what they did by using an analogy that shows that you not only don't know the difference between the cognitive states of a dog and an ant, but replaces the two, full-grown offenders with "little Timmy."

Please. If you're going to be such a dick in your next post, display a little more logic than that. (Then, for your own benefit, go back and edit your post and take out the part where you're being such a dick.)

Wait, all he got was discharged? He should be in jail, and for a long time.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

What amazing Fail.

What's pathetic is your trying to justify what they did by using an analogy that shows that you not only don't know the difference between the cognitive states of a dog and an ant, but replaces the two, full-grown offenders with "little Timmy."

Please. If you're going to be such a dick in your next post, display a little more logic than that. (Then, for your own benefit, go back and edit your post and take out the part where you're being such a dick.)

On the other hand, hunting down and killing an animal with a gun probably causes more fear, pain, and stress on an animal (seeing as you can't just walk up to an animal and shoot it in the head) yet most people aren't strutting around complaining about hunters.

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

On the other hand, hunting down and killing an animal with a gun probably causes more fear, pain, and stress on an animal (seeing as you can't just walk up to an animal and shoot it in the head) yet most people aren't strutting around complaining about hunters.

I've never been hunting, but aside from maybe animals in open fields, you don't go running after animals, you stay in a spot they are likely to come to and hide and then as soon as they show up you shoot. At least I think that is how they do it. When my cousin was young he went hunting and it disgusted me because he was bragging about how he had to shoot the same deer 6 times because it wouldn't die. I don't think he tried to make it suffer though, so I'm not that upset about it.


I do get upset when I hear horror stories about the first one or two shots not killing the animals.

I do complain about people who hunt for sport alone. In West Virginia, deer hunting is hugely popular. People use deer stands or quiet tracking through woods and the animals never even knows what hit them. Of course there are some exceptions and I have a problem with some of them. Inducing terror in a creature isn't necessary.

I had a rabbit business once. I went into it completely blind and ignorant. I fed and watered them in their cages every day and I kept their cages clean and well sheltered. Yet every day I would go out and find more bunny bodies, cute feet sticking out from the bars as if pleading for escape. I was planning on selling some of the rabbits as pets and others as meat. One of the meat rabbits was sick, so I mustered up some courage and snapped its neck, skinned it and examined it (mostly to get used to the task). But when they kept dying, for no apparent cause, I couldn't bare it anymore and freed them.
And the strangest thing happened. They all survived and thrived. I walked out to the barn every day to feed and water them and they would flock around my feet.
I found out, after much research, that they had been dying because I had been feeding them mulch hay. Mulch hay tends to get infested with a mold that rabbits are HIGHLY sensitive to. When they were free I had stopped given them the mulch because our field is covered in hay and they could eat it whenever they wanted.

Before I released them though, one rabbit had given birth to several babies. After a couple weeks it was obvious the little one wouldn't make it. I wanted to learn how to preserve the pelt, so I tried snapping its neck like I had done the other one. It didn't work. I tried 2 more times and only caused the poor one unbelievable pain. I was crying my eyes out, petting it, trying to ease the pain I had caused. I wasn't about to try and fail again so I left it to die in shock. When I skinned it, I dicovered I had broken it's back and one of its legs. It never occurred to me that baby rabbits- like baby people- have more resiliant bones. And I have never forgiven myself for what I did.

It is horrific for me to hear people LAUGHING while causing terror and pain on any creature. It wasn't the laughter of commradery (sp) or even excited laughter while in the "thrill of the hunt", but laughter aimed AT the suffering of the puppy.
I think that's what most people have a problem with.

Originally Posted by Sandform

I've never been hunting, but aside from maybe animals in open fields, you don't go running after animals, you stay in a spot they are likely to come to and hide and then as soon as they show up you shoot. At least I think that is how they do it. When my cousin was young he went hunting and it disgusted me because he was bragging about how he had to shoot the same deer 6 times because it wouldn't die. I don't think he tried to make it suffer though, so I'm not that upset about it.


I do get upset when I hear horror stories about the first one or two shots not killing the animals.

It really depends on what you are hunting that determines how you hunt it.

Owned.

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Why don't you people care equally that these marines are killing people and children?

Because they are shooting them rather than throwing them off cliffs. Can't you imagine the sheer horror?

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

On the other hand, hunting down and killing an animal with a gun probably causes more fear, pain, and stress on an animal (seeing as you can't just walk up to an animal and shoot it in the head) yet most people aren't strutting around complaining about hunters.

I don't really like people hunting for pure "sport."

I am tolerant for people who hunt for food and or practical reasons. Even with that being the case, standing on top of a ridge with an uzi and screaming "Hahahaha! Die aminalz!!!" is not respectable hunting, in my eyes (even if it was for food), which is the equivalent of what the soldiers did in the video.

Originally Posted by Goldney

Why don't you people care equally that these marines are killing people and children?

The most obvious answer would be: Because it has nothing to do with this conversation.

I'm sure if you look real hard, you can find plenty of threads about peoples' feelings toward soldiers and war, as it pertains to human death.

Life is not an onus, O'nus is

Hopefully someone gets something out of this.


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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

The most obvious answer would be: Because it has nothing to do with this conversation.

I'm sure if you look real hard, you can find plenty of threads about peoples' feelings toward soldiers and war, as it pertains to human death.

Theres some hypocrisy here. Earlier on you talked about cognitive states and, in the little Timmy example, implied that ants aren't as important as dogs due to this difference in cognition. By the same rules, humans are more cognitively complex than dogs, so you should all be proportionately a LOT more outraged about the hundreds of humans killed everyday by troops in the middle east. The uproar that this one puppy's death has caused just highlights how silly people can be. Get a grip.

Originally Posted by Goldney

Why don't you people care equally that these marines are killing people and children?

Who says we don't...

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War happens, violence happens, people bleed, people die, people are molested.

Your life is meaningless, everything is devoid of purpose, it is nonsense. The war over resources is perpetual and mixed with a sense of purpose over creeds. However, you're nothing but a pale blue dot. There's no reason for you or anyone else to be alive.

Worrying about it is folly, complaining about it is folly. It happened, it's going to continue to happen, and there's nothing anybody can do about it.

Voice your opinion but do so in remembering that it's pointless. No one cares, nothing will really change. Puppies will fly off cliffs again another day. Children will be raped.

Don't reinforce it with attention. Don't reinforce it by acknowledging it.

If you don't like it, don't do it or reinforce it. But don't think you can prevent it from happening again - because it will.. over and over and over..

Humankind is a face being stomped on by a boot repeatedly.

Edit: I contradict myself by posting this.. so I'll just appear arrogant. Hopefully someone gets something out of this.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

Your life is meaningless, everything is devoid of purpose, it is nonsense. The war over resources is perpetual and mixed with a sense of purpose over creeds. However, you're nothing but a pale blue dot. There's no reason for you or anyone else to be alive.

I agree with everything [O'nus] said, except for the above quote.

...Not that my opinion matters, of course.

Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia

Life is not an onus, O'nus is

Hopefully someone gets something out of this.


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Huh?

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I agree with everything [O'nus] said, except for the above quote.

...Not that my opinion matters, of course.

How come?

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I agree with everything [O'nus] said, except for the above quote.

...Not that my opinion matters, of course.

Clearly you're not reading enough Carl Sagan.

Does anyone that's crying over this realize why these marines are there in the first place? Apparently it's a huge fucking tragedy that they killed this puppy but it's ok to shoot bullets with the intention of killing another persons child. I fail to follow that logic.

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

I fail to follow that logic.

No. You fail to follow the thread.

If you did, you'd realize that their 'reason' for being over there has already been addressed as having nothing to do with this thread, and why throwing around that argument is nothing but a strawman.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

No. You fail to follow the thread.

If you did, you'd realize that their 'reason' for being over there has already been addressed as having nothing to do with this thread, and why throwing around that argument is nothing but a strawman.

Right. Keep sympathizing for the puppy and the puppies family then with the rest of the pathetic grievances. Get real.

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

Right. Keep sympathizing for the puppy and the puppies family then with the rest of the pathetic grievances. Get real.

You can state the same position as many times as you want, in as many ways as you want. It means nothing in the context of this thread.

What do you want? For us to go off on a tangent about our opposition to the war, or for us to state our praise for the war, and of the soldiers killing other humans? The point is, those opinions are expressed, at length, on other parts of this forum, but not a single one of them has anything to do with the video or this thread.

Either you can realize that, and contribute to the conversation, or go on one of the many other threads where the sentiments you are voicing are already being expressed to continue to outline your point.

Ok. Thank you for clarifying my options for me. I have came to my final conclusion after many moments of strenuous thought and debate that I will contribute to the conversation in a positive, constructive way.

I feel terrible for the puppy. What did the puppy do to the soldiers? He was just an innocent puppy! Did you guys see the face on the puppy right before he was viciously tossed off the cliff? I felt so sorry for him! I hope you guys are keeping the puppy in your prayers. I know I will be sending flowers to the site of this tragic event.

Sorry if my words prior to this post came off as controversial to the topic of his thread. My condolences.

Originally Posted by SpecialInterests

Ok. Thank you for clarifying my options for me. I have came to my final conclusion after many moments of strenuous thought and debate that I will contribute to the conversation in a positive, constructive way.

I feel terrible for the puppy. What did the puppy do to the soldiers? He was just an innocent puppy! Did you guys see the face on the puppy right before he was viciously tossed off the cliff? I felt so sorry for him! I hope you guys are keeping the puppy in your prayers. I know I will be sending flowers to the site of this tragic event.

Sorry if my words prior to this post came off as controversial to the topic of his thread. My condolences.

Unfortunately, your sarcasm comes off as just as hollow as your initial, irrelevant post (seeing as how you seem stuck on making the same point which - still - has nothing to do with this thread).

But hey, thanks for your input.

this thread has made me lose all hope in the sanity of DV members

the sickest minds I've ever met in my life are here