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Happy new year! New Year's Day 2008 marks the beginning of Schedule 1 classification of salvia divinorum, a hallucinogenic plant that is nonlethal and nonaddictive, in the U.S. state of Illinois. It is now a FELONY to possess this menace that the proponents of the bill have not been able to tell any serious stories about. The people of Illinois are safe at last! Just check out the intensely backed up rationale of the genius ban loving sheriff in this article... |
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Last edited by Universal Mind; 01-02-2008 at 10:48 AM.
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WHAT? SALVIA? |
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Defiantly safe. I have tryed is and eveything was alright except that the bonfire turned into an aquarium with fish in it, but thats about it. If it wasn't safe they probally wouldn't sell it at my local convenice store. |
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It's also somewhat unpleasant--fascinating, but not something you want to do every day. |
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Hmmm. An argument for why Salvia should be illegal. Well, the notion of the brain having electrical activity consitent with a wakeful state BUT being cut-off from sensory input does indeed sound dangerous to me. Why ... that would cause hallucinations. |
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I'd rather get high and answer. |
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I'd never argue salvia is less intense than LSD, although that is subjective. I'd say it has a greater relative harm potential than LSD. I've done both many times, and only on salvia have I actually lost all conception of reality, and acted in an erratic way, and not out of fear. |
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For me, salvia is about the most intense substance out there, but that is because I have not done DMT. It usually makes me see muppets trying to manipulate the fabric of reality in order to destroy reality. That might make it sound really freaky to some people, but it makes me realize that there is no way I would even think of driving a car on it. I don't even think I could find my car while on that stuff. I probably don't really even understand what a car is while on salvia. I lose all sense of up, down, left, right, here, there, forward, and backward. All I can do is just sit there and be still until the trip ends after ten minutes. Very basic knowledge of what that stuff does makes it very safe for virtually anybody. It just creates a crazy ten minute lucid dream. |
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Why don't we all get together (all like everyone not banning these things) and throw these people off a bridge and change the law? Free hallusinations for everyone! the world trips on Salvia, and DMT and the world is sane again. Seriously, ban booze while you're at it, hell ban fatty foods, and actually ban food all together and anything drinkable so we die of thirst and hunger so they can play amung themselves with free everything. This is all because they want us dead and they want tax free ferrarri's, and tons and tons of money, and stuff. It's all about them, they are thinking of their own needs when we all die from their a few thousand year old plan to slowly wipe us out from hunger, and thirst. Who's left to make them work for a living, or tell them it costs this much? Strike now while you can still eat and drink, for that will change in a few thousand years. |
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Probably because the high potency extracts can cause a more intense trip than LSD. Since LSD is illegal, they thought it would be good to make salvia illegal.... I dunno, that's my guess. I still haven't heard of any injuries or deaths from it, but I don't research salvia much. I hate that shit with a passion. Don't get me wrong though, it should be legal. I just don't enjoy the trips or get anything positive from them + They are usually physically painful for me... |
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I am surprised salvia isn't illegal everywhere. I'm not FOR it being banned but I'm still surprised because it's way weirder than LSD or E or anything if you take it the right way. I never have I'm just going on other people's accounts . |
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How long does the salvia last? Was it 5 seconds or 5 minutes? |
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If this stuff lasts for about 30mins then I don;t think I would take it unless I had someone in the same room as me while I took it...just doesn't totally safe to my eyes. |
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California has a hearing on January 15th I believe. If it goes illegal in California I'd say the rest of the states will just quickly follow suit and by the end of 2008 it'll be banned from the entire US. |
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I hope this outrageous hysteria will be used by war on drugs activists a lot in the future to illustrate the kind of mind set behind such laws. This one guy committed suicide and was on alcohol, acne medication with negative psychological side effects, and salvia divinorum, and he had a messed up childhood and suffered from depression. So the legislators from a lot of states look at that big picture and pick out just salvia divinorum, say nothing bad about the horribly deadly substance alcohol, the screwed up acne medicine, or the guy's depression, and decide to make it a FELONY to possess something nonlethal and nonaddictive. In Delaware, they even named the new law after the guy. That is so insane. I have been saying for years that it is that type of thinking behind the illegality of a lot of other drugs. This situation can be used as a great example when arguing against the prohibition of those other drugs. |
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http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_vi...ml?id=3294888n |
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Anybody with very basic knowledge of what salvia does, especially people who have experienced it before, would never dream of driving a car while on it. Also, people who are within minutes of having just smoked salvia are not going to be able to find their cars and would know that they are not in any condition to drive. But alcohol on the other hand... What did you say about bringing back alcohol prohibition? |
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So we all have this basic knowledge? And none of us would dream of it. |
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Last edited by Howie; 01-06-2008 at 01:10 AM.
Witnessing that horrifically misinformed report, I'm pretty sure salvia is going the way of cannabis and LSD, because it's a freebie crusade for politicians. Classifying salvia as having "high potential for abuse" is nonsensical--few people who try it will ever repeat the experience, and I've never heard of anyone using it often. I'd be interested to know how often the suicide kid actually used salvia. The only way I could see salvia getting truly popular is in response to a prohibition. |
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Last edited by Howie; 01-06-2008 at 01:46 AM. Reason: Merged
If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
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