Thread: Do people really think like this?

Originally Posted by Michael

happier being a female? How do they know? They are not a female. They WISH they were. They use imagination like a 5 year old would. They take it too far with surgeries and such. It is completely outrageous.

if you're psysically born a woman with a penis, that's different. that's a pshsical mess up... but if you're born physically correct, but think you're the other gender, then that's a clear brain disfuntion. I'm sure with enough time i'll be proven correct by science.

I don't think there's anything wrong with wishing you were the opposite gender. You make it seem like this is some kind of mental illness that needs to be cured. And being female isn't having having a vagina, it's about being feminine. It's about going outside and everyone thinking your a female, and pretty much living your life as a girl, regardless of what's in between your legs. Not everyone gets surgery, in fact, most transgendered people don't get any surgeries at all because it's far too expensive.

Originally Posted by Demon Parasite

And being female isn't having having a vagina, it's about being feminine. It's about going outside and everyone thinking your a female, and pretty much living your life as a girl, regardless of what's in between your legs.

Actually, the most accepted definition of female is : "a person bearing two X chromosomes in the cell nuclei and normally having a vagina, a uterus and ovaries, and developing at puberty a relatively rounded body and enlarged breasts, and retaining a beardless face; a girl or woman."

But that is beside the point. You can still act feminine, of course. When Michael referred to the word 'female', he meant the scientific and highly accepted definition.

It is something like this, "How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg?" "Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg."

Originally Posted by Exhalent

Actually, the most accepted definition of female is : "a person bearing two X chromosomes in the cell nuclei and normally having a vagina, a uterus and ovaries, and developing at puberty a relatively rounded body and enlarged breasts, and retaining a beardless face; a girl or woman."

But that is beside the point. You can still act feminine, of course. When Michael referred to the word 'female', he meant the scientific and highly accepted definition.

It is something like this, "How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg?" "Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg."

By "female" I am talking about the gender role, not sex assignment.

My daughter’s volunteer basketball coach was transgendered. She wore female clothing and makeup. Lylia definitely has male chromosomes because you can see her five o’clock shadow. She has a very nice daughter who maybe is her bio child...don’t know...don’t care... Because she is a very loving parent and a genuinely kind person, nobody gave a crap if she was in the multi-stalled ladies’ room. None of the moms would have wanted her to go in the men’s room....that would be wrong. Since Lylia lives in a small community, people “judge” her on her kindness, volunteer work, parenting skills, money, car she drives, and her profession.....just like they “judge” non-transgendered people.

When you are comfortable with your own gender, there is nothing threatening about transgendered people.

Originally Posted by Liz

When you are comfortable with your own gender, there is nothing threatening about transgendered people.

And you would know this because you know exactly how everyone thinks and know the precise reasons for why people hate such abominations?

Don't mean to sound overly harsh.
Just saying that you can under no circumstances make assumptions about others' reasoning for anything.
Which is why I find it silly when people say things like the above quote or, "You hate it because you are afraid of it".

Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. Hatred =/= fear. It's quite the opposite.

Just because a vast majority of people can't explain their disgust of such things and likely don't even have a viable reason for it, does not mean everyone is like that. Some people actually do things for perfectly viable reasons. It's just that no one owes anyone any explanations on the matter, especially since reasons for various personal stances are just that...personal.

Luckily, we have democracy, so as long as majority votes against, no one has to explain any reasoning.

I honestly can't tell why the bathroom thing is such an issue. There are stalls. If a woman was going in to the women's bathroom and looking over the stalls, she'd get arrested (or screamed at/escorted out by security, etc.) just the same as if a man in woman's clothing was doing it. Otherwise, who really cares? I personally am not even really sure why our society needs gender specific bathrooms, and individual stalls anyway.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

I honestly can't tell why the bathroom thing is such an issue. There are stalls. If a woman was going in to the women's bathroom and looking over the stalls, she'd get arrested (or screamed at/escorted out by security, etc.) just the same as if a man in woman's clothing was doing it. Otherwise, who really cares? I personally am not even really sure why our society needs gender specific bathrooms, and individual stalls anyway.

Because of crazy old men that love little girls?

Though they like the boys as well..

Originally Posted by Merlock

And you would know this because you know exactly how everyone thinks and know the precise reasons for why people hate such abominations?

I know this because I am a licensed mental health clinician with decades of practice.
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Abomination = a vile, shameful act.

Shameful acts =HATEFUL WORDS that injure others and have no positive purpose. Therefore an abomination=hateful words.

What is to hate about someone feeling like that should have been born a different gender? What is to hate about someone feeling like they want to dress in a different gender’s clothing? What is so scary about this? Nothing.
This is an irrational fear.

If you just HAVE to hate things, use this emotion constructively. Please seek out dangerous and scary things to hate.

Originally Posted by Liz

I know this because I am a licensed mental health clinician with decades of practice.
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Abomination = a vile, shameful act.

Shameful acts =HATEFUL WORDS that injure others and have no positive purpose. Therefore an abomination=hateful words.

What is to hate about someone feeling like that should have been born a different gender? What is to hate about someone feeling like they want to dress in a different gender’s clothing? What is so scary about this? Nothing.
This is an irrational fear.

If you just HAVE to hate things, use this emotion constructively. Please seek out dangerous and scary things to hate.

I'm sorry, but that's utter hippie/Buddhist talk.
I'm hurting people, "boo-hoo".
Conflict is perfectly sensible as long as there is good reason for it.

Also, you still seem to be under the impression that "hate" and "fear" are synonyms.

Furthermore, questions like "what is there to hate about <whatever>?" will not be answered because, like I already said, it's personal. No one owes you explanations of their inner selves, their desires and fears, likes and dislikes, experiences and reasons for acting. You can either fight someone if you oppose their stance, join them if you support it or just ignore them if you don't care. Trying to "reason" against opposing idealism is useless.

As for being "licensed", being a doctor or any such...that means nothing.
It is impossible to know anything about anyone's true inner self.
All psychology and various sciences relating to behaviour are full of nothing but assumptions.

You assume someone does something for an assumed reason.
You know nothing for a fact, as it isn't yourself you are trying to analyse.
Another's mind cannot be viewed like a computer record or phenomenon of nature.

Someone can become your friend and make you 100% certain for dozens of years that they are your closest most trusted partner or vice-versa, you can assume an enemy is 100% wrong for whatever reasons...only for said friend/enemy to one day turn around and completely change, saying it was all an act.

But aye, now I'm just ranting.
My point was: don't assume to know why someone does something.
Take their actions at face value.

Originally Posted by Merlock

Conflict is perfectly sensible as long as there is good reason for it.

Please tell us what IS the "good reason" to hate transgendered people.
You keep telling us that you don't want to reveal this "good reason" so I am left to assume that:

A. you hate almost everything including yourself
B. you are not comfortable with aspects of your own gender
C. you have bought into a hate-promoting, religious ideology which is practiced in defiance of God saying, "Love one another."