Thread: Power

Originally Posted by Invader

How exactly does a logical tool for reasoning move estrogen into the water supply?
Speak, you.

From what I've heard, some of the estrogen in women's urine doesn't get caught by the sewage plant and actually does wind up in our water. I wonder if this applies to home filters as well.

I used to know an excellent quote regarding power. It went something along the lines of:

"men don't wish to accumulate power, they wish to emanate it"

Originally Posted by Black_Eagle

From what I've heard, some of the estrogen in women's urine doesn't get caught by the sewage plant and actually does wind up in our water. I wonder if this applies to home filters as well.

Google certainly does turn up its slew of results, and not just for estrogen, but for other pharmaceuticals as well. A lot of it looks like "I read a study" or "I heard this", so I'm still just trying to find a credible source. There are a few news sites I've never heard of, and I can't find any sources for their information.

Talk about going off on a tangent. If it contributes to the thread any, estrogen reduces violent impulses. Those impulses may lead one to seek dominant positions in their societies, you know.

People like to control things, the more they have a say, the better. It is a combination of greed, ignorance, fear, envy, and fantasy. I found an interesting article that may help understand.

And an appropriate quote:
"Every tyrant who has lived has believed in freedom - for himself."
-Elbert Hubbard

Plain estrogen in the water supply would be too dilluted to do anything, and it would have little effects without blocking testosterone even if it was more concentrated.

Power is control. The ego thrives on power. Control = power. In most of us there is some longing for control.
Some have an obsession over control. The more power you have the more control you obtain.
Unfortunately government is power.

Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I was not aware of what rules that estrogen and testosterone play. What is your source?

Kim Jong-il acting on which one?

References for biology/genetic affect on the need for power/dominance:

http://www.ns.umich.edu/htdocs/relea...ry.php?id=6524

http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/homep...htaJosephs.pdf

Reference for environmental estrogen affecting men:

http://www.som.tulane.edu/cbr/ecme/e...sics/eeeffects


Scroll way down to find the estrogen study on this one:
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:...&client=safari
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The most interesting question. Actually this is the one problem I have been pondering for many years now. I tend to think that it is something that is build inside us and is very human-like, whether some people restrain the lust or are simply too weak to ever get that power. For me it seems very typical for humans that every one of us desires to carve their own way through this world and hopefully leave something behind. That is of course meaningless, because there is no reason to leave anything behind if you, as being, will ultimately perish.

I must admit that strength and power plays a very important role in my life, or more accuratetly, capability. Our lives are determined by things we are capable of. We are after all egoistic, we want to be more than the other people. Controlling people doesn't give me satisfaction, I despise people who go around saying other people what to do. For me power is the ability to do what you like, in spite of what the odds are or what those annoying other people try to make you do.

For politics, I despise them too as general. Just a large scale farce that unfortunatetly has grown way too important for the world. Nothing good can come out of scenario where the indifferent incapable elect the ambitious incapable to do the impossible.The only problem is that those elected get the keys to destroy the current world with couple words. I am greatly interested who the hell votes for Obama, for example? I am not commenting about his capability, skill or him as person at all, I am just saying that what makes people vote for him. You could replace Obama for any other politician in that sentence, it doesn't matter. I am more interested in the chains of events that lead to the current situation than the mere situation itself. What have they done to extremely large masses of people to have those people vote for them? Why they want to raise one person to rule them all? Is it because they are so weak themselves and hope this one will be capable enough to correct the wrongs?