Thread: "Free" Energy device created

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLnge..._embedded#t=76

Nope. All I've ever been able to dig up on magnetic motor design are pretty
graphics and closed motors, so you can't actually see what's going on inside.
No one has demonstrated a proof of concept device in which we can see the
arrangement of the magnets and how they interact with any other moving
parts the motor might have. In each plan I've seen there would be a net force
of 0 acting upon the rotor, but everyone seems to believe it's going to keep
spinning itself to no end. Those people don't know how magnets work.

I'd LOVE to see a working model, as I was stoked when I first heard about
these a few years ago, but it doesn't seem possible.

Free energy? We already have it.

^^haha yeah we do have it already, but i thought this might be just another method...im not really any good at math or physics so someone explain this to me.

My goal someday is to live in a house that is completely off the grid, with small scale hydroelectric, wind, and solar power, also with my own source of water. They make atmospheric water generators now, they are from EcoloBlue

No, unfortunately it hasn't been created.

This has happened thousands of times throughout scientific history. It's always either delusionals or scam artists.

It has been mathematically proven that it is impossible for a system to increase its total energy without any inputs (as long as the laws of the universe do not change).

You can't get any energy from a magnet as this man claims (there's a thread in the Science forum where I explained to somebody why).

As always the man in the video only claims to have a 'prototype' i.e. it 'needs some energy input' just to 'demonstrate that it works' and that he'll 'be able to make it run entirely by itself soon, honest!'. He then seems to ask people to buy it in order to see for themselves, instead of subjecting it to scientific peer review (which would instantly make him a billionaire if he was telling the truth), so he seems to fall into the scam artist category.

The "Anyone who says it doesn't work haven't seen it. It works!" part is especially nice.

Could it work if they suspended the motor in a vacuum?

Anybody who believes this guy clearly is not familiar with the laws of thermodynamics. You cannot obtain more energy from a system than is put into the system. End of story.

So, unless this guy's device converts ambient heat into electricity, there's no way that it is possible.

Originally Posted by Invader

but everyone seems to believe it's going to keep
spinning itself to no end. Those people don't know how magnets work.

Originally Posted by Xei

You can't get any energy from a magnet

What do you guys mean?

The totality of existence is a system, and by definition, there are no systems external to it. Motion exists within the system, and the motion gets all of its energy from within the system. So, would all motion be part of a system of perpetual motion? If so, then it seems perpetual motion could be created in a much smaller system.

I know science emphatically says perpetual motion is impossible and that the U.S. Patent Office will not even look at claimed perpetual motion machines, but I still think the idea is worth exploring.

So, would all motion be part of a system of perpetual motion?

All of the energy in our universe stays in our universe. A magnetic motor (or
any perpetual device designed to create usable power) is supposed to
produce a surplus of energy to be used outside of its system (or to
continually accelerate itself). People thought they could do it with gravity.
It's a lot like thinking that you can turn the pulling power of a rubber band
into an endless stream of energy.

Power is equal to Work divided by Time.

Work is equal to Force times Distance.

In order for a magnetic motor to generate power, it must be providing a net
force of anything greater than 0. Unfortunately, the net force of such a
closed system is 0, and as such generates 0 watts of power.

Is the universe therefore a perpetual motion system?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

What do you guys mean?

The totality of existence is a system, and by definition, there are no systems external to it. Motion exists within the system, and the motion gets all of its energy from within the system. So, would all motion be part of a system of perpetual motion? If so, then it seems perpetual motion could be created in a much smaller system.

I know science emphatically says perpetual motion is impossible and that the U.S. Patent Office will not even look at claimed perpetual motion machines, but I still think the idea is worth exploring.

But there is an 'outside' to the universe to which heat can spread (although it does then become part of the universe).

You seem to have the idea in your head that the motion in the universe is perpetual. This is not true. Please look up the heat death of the universe, which is the unavoidable scenario in which the universe has become a random grey mulsh.

And of course nothing you said about looking at the universe as a whole as a thermodynamic system can possibly apply to any system built on Earth.

And it has been mathematically proven that you can't do it, so anybody who tries does not understand the concept of mathematical proof.

Originally Posted by Xei

But there is an 'outside' to the universe to which heat can spread (although it does then become part of the universe).

You seem to have the idea in your head that the motion in the universe is perpetual. This is not true. Please look up the heat death of the universe, which is the unavoidable scenario in which the universe has become a random grey mulsh.

And of course nothing you said about looking at the universe as a whole as a thermodynamic system can possibly apply to any system built on Earth.

And it has been mathematically proven that you can't do it, so anybody who tries does not understand the concept of mathematical proof.

Notice that I at first talked about the totality of existence. I started talking about the universe because Invader was talking in terms of it, and I threw in the hypothetical of nothing existing other than the universe to help make sure he knew exactly what I was getting at.

With that in mind, explain why existence itself does not involve perpetual motion. Also explain why it could never apply to a machine built on Earth. Take a deep breath and realize that I am not saying I know it can happen. This is just another interesting discussion that you are getting heated and snooty about. We are just people on the internet talking about some fascinating shit. So tell us what you think other than, "Math says so, so shut up."