Thread: Telekinesis

Watched the matrix for the first time in about a year the other day, and it had me wondering about telekineses. I mean, after all of the stuff that i have been interested in recently, it doesn't seem that far fetched. Most strong to me is the fact that the government had/has a remote viewing study center. I don't mean that the government is right about everything or even most things, but if they spend so much money on it, there must be some kind of truth behind it. And if you can see around the world using energy from your mind, why wouldn't you be able to make a small object move slightly?

what is your opinion? Also, if you think it is real, do you think that anyone who believes in it can do it, or just people born with it. Another short thing. (and "the men that stare at goats" gave me this idea lol) do you think that you could... kill or knock out something with it? i mean i don't want to kill anyone, but next time someone pegs me in the face in gym, it would be cool to you know, hold up some blood and knock them out...

PK is bullshit.

Every test on the subject has refuted it as a possibility.

Originally Posted by A Roxxor

Every test on the subject has refuted it as a possibility.

That is 100% false.
Tell it to Dean Radin.

I think it is possible. Is it likely? Probably not. The (very plausible, and even likely) immaterial nature of the universe would leave room for its possibility. Observable actions such as the quantum entanglement of electrons (the ability of the changing of one electron's spin to affect another electron's spin, over an infinite distance, simultaneously) almost imply the possibility. There is a lot that says such might be possible, but nothing that has been quantified to a degree that surpasses scientific scrutiny - even if the reason for such actions remain unknown.

So, yeah, I'm open-minded about it - however skeptical.

The brain cannot create kinetic energy in objects because energy has to be transfered, and energy cannot be transferred without some sort of direct connection, such as a collision. Magnetic and Large Gravitational fields can do this as well, but the brain has little to none of both that would be significant to be able to say, lift a pencil or really anything at all.

In theory, thoughts have mass (look up noetic science), but a single thought will do very little. However, if you compile a large group of people and get them all thinking about exactly the same thing, you may achieve more concrete results. I still seriously doubt, however, that even the world thinking about moving a boulder will achieve anything at all. The theory goes that this "collective thinking" is more prone to bring order from chaos more than anything else. Of course, this is just what Dan Brown said in his new book, so it's probably full of holes...

I remain skeptical.

Originally Posted by Mario92

In theory, thoughts have mass (look up noetic science), but a single thought will do very little. However, if you compile a large group of people and get them all thinking about exactly the same thing, you may achieve more concrete results. I still seriously doubt, however, that even the world thinking about moving a boulder will achieve anything at all. The theory goes that this "collective thinking" is more prone to bring order from chaos more than anything else. Of course, this is just what Dan Brown said in his new book, so it's probably full of holes...

I remain skeptical.

Oh my God I need to read it, I'm awaiting it in the mail.

I think it's highly unlikely, or we would have perfected it or made amplifiers and shit already.

I do not beleive in this REALLY, but

I learned the other day that if you shined a flashlight at, say, a balloon, it would move a TINY bit. Like way tiny. My chemistry teacher told us this.

You can also see energy actually flowing out of people, as well, under perfectly dark situations. It's a truly tiny amount of power, generated from the use of ATP in the body, but it remains nonetheless.

Also, welcome, LDS, to the extended discussion forums. Beware the r/s forum!

Originally Posted by A Roxxor

The brain cannot create kinetic energy in objects because energy has to be transfered, and energy cannot be transferred without some sort of direct connection, such as a collision. Magnetic and Large Gravitational fields can do this as well, but the brain has little to none of both that would be significant to be able to say, lift a pencil or really anything at all.

Are you familiar with the 'Schroedinger's Cat' thought experiment? If so, what do you think about it, and its possibility?

If not, at crash course into the theory is that:

Given the implications of quantum mechanics - and the idea of a 'holographic universe', and David Bohm's Implicate and Explicate Order theory - it is quite possible that there is no "physical reality", universe exists merely as a system of waves. It is the perceptions of our consciousnesses, born inside of this wave, that give the universe the illusion of physicality, and our 'mind's are what interprets this perception of these waves as a static/physical reality. Should this be the case, the question is posed that it is the observers' assessment of a situation that manifests a certain outcome.

Particularly: If a cat is put into a box and a poison is released, the cat exists in a superposition of both dead and alive (a waveform), until it is actually observed, in which case it is the observer's observation which collapses the waveform and manifests the true state of the cat, upon opening the box.

Sure, it's just a theory (though well-developed, if you follow the surrounding literature), but if such a thing is the true state of the universe - as hinted by the non-locality of electrons (that their position cannot be truly determined until they are directly observed), then the 'interconnectedness" of all things is definitely possible. And if that's the case, then the ability of a mind to exert influence upon the physical would be possible. Even if it's micro-PK, it still counts as PK. If a mind can influence something as small as the true state of an electron, then it's possible that - with time - it could come that the mind would be able to develop the ability to influence things on a macro-scale.

At least, that's my take on it.

No, it isn't possible. The point about quantum physics is that it is inherently random. When you observe the cat, it has an exact probability of either being dead or alive. The mind does not and cannot influence this; it only observes it. Think of it in terms of a dice being thrown with your eyes closed. Before you open them, as far as you are concerned, it could be anything. And then when you do open them, you find out what the number is. But you don't influence the process according to your will at all.

With regards to telekinesis in general... no, it isn't possible. No experiment has ever observed this happening, and there have been relatively huge projects (like PEAR) which have given very obvious null results. The fact that there is such a huge incentive to actually perform an experiment to confirm such a phenomenon makes it seem very unlikely that it is possible. There is also no reason to believe that it should be possible. Even with the aid of technology we generally can't make objects move at a distance without touching them.

Why would you want to anyway? You can move things with your mind already; use your arms.