Thread: The Nonreligious Are More Intelligent

Originally Posted by grasshoppa

You realize you are proving his point further by reacting emotionally instead of with a thought-out response...

I'm sorry..........It must have been this pow-wow music I've been listening to lately. It gets to me, you know, remembering all the Native Americans that suffered because White people thought they were more superior.

Oh man, which one had more technology again? Wait...never mind. What am I babbling about. That's not relative or important is it??

HEY! I've got a smart idea.

Why don't we measure out wisdom.....Yeah, that'll be fun! I have graph paper and a ruler!!! Who wants to help me??

Originally Posted by juroara

Why don't we measure out wisdom.....Yeah, that'll be fun! I have graph paper and a ruler!!! Who wants to help me??

I guess the irony in this case is that it is not wise to dodge a question by
babbling (as you put it) about irrelevant information, or by trying to distort
O'nus's claim and then attribute it to his ethnic background.

Originally Posted by Invader

I guess the irony in this case is that it is not wise to dodge a question by
babbling (as you put it) about irrelevant information, or by trying to distort
O'nus's claim and then attribute it to his ethnic background.

Originally Posted by juroara

I'm sorry..........It must have been this pow-wow music I've been listening to lately. It gets to me, you know, remembering all the Native Americans that suffered because White people thought they were more superior.

Oh man, which one had more technology again? Wait...never mind. What am I babbling about. That's not relative or important is it??

HEY! I've got a smart idea.

Why don't we measure out wisdom.....Yeah, that'll be fun! I have graph paper and a ruler!!! Who wants to help me??

Do you understand how an IQ test works?

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Originally Posted by juroara

I'm sorry..........It must have been this pow-wow music I've been listening to lately. It gets to me, you know, remembering all the Native Americans that suffered because White people thought they were more superior.

Oh man, which one had more technology again? Wait...never mind. What am I babbling about. That's not relative or important is it??

HEY! I've got a smart idea.

Why don't we measure out wisdom.....Yeah, that'll be fun! I have graph paper and a ruler!!! Who wants to help me??

No you haven't. You never have, and never will.

I have to say... the posts here suggesting O'nus' research is faulty haven't really suggested a better alternative. IQ tests are designed to give the best measurement of what would be considered a person's intellect. They're honed and defined by multiple researchers to be as unbiased as possible.

The religious fans here seem to suggest that these tests are ineffective, but I would challenge to ask ... then what test would be better? Is there an IQ test that somehow includes these "left-brain" and religious ideals, in a way that makes them unbiased? Would that support posts like Juroara? I highly doubt it...

Premise: IQ tests are an effective measure of a person's ability to think logically.

Premise: Thinking logically is thinking without contradicting yourself.

Premise: Faith - defined as belief sans proof - is not within the domain of logic.

Therefore: A person that lacks faith in a higher power does not because of an inclination to think logically.

Conclusion: Atheists will score higher on objective measures of logical prowess because their worldview avoids acceptance of something that cannot be arrived at through logical means.

Originally Posted by Licity

Premise: IQ tests are an effective measure of a person's ability to think logically.

Premise: Thinking logically is thinking without contradicting yourself.

Premise: Faith - defined as belief sans proof - is not within the domain of logic.

Therefore: A person that lacks faith in a higher power does not because of an inclination to think logically.

Conclusion: Atheists will score higher on objective measures of logical prowess because their worldview avoids acceptance of something that cannot be arrived at through logical means.

You obviously did not read my post. You will find that Atheists have actually scored higher than Theists on ACH thinking.

ACH thinking is Abstract Categorical and Hypothetical Thinking. This has nothing to do with logic but the ability to think in these ACH terms. For example; gestalt functional fixedness.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

You obviously did not read my post. You will find that Atheists have actually scored higher than Theists on ACH thinking.

ACH thinking is Abstract Categorical and Hypothetical Thinking. This has nothing to do with logic but the ability to think in these ACH terms. For example; gestalt functional fixedness.

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Logic is a lot more than just the three R's - One of the greatest works of the scientific and logical process was brought about indirectly by an apple hitting a certain mathematician on the head... and another important one was brought about by bored musing about electricity while working in a patent office. It's pretty hard to get anything done by what you think logic is, one has to think creatively to even find a starting point! Logic is simply thinking without contradictions, and the vast majority of religions tend to make statements that directly contradict things we know...

Like religious nut or a spiritual person?
I've scored higher on IQ tests then all of my atheist friends. I'm not incredibly religious, and while I'm 'Catholic', I'm probably agnostic.

Originally Posted by Vampyre

I have to say... the posts here suggesting O'nus' research is faulty haven't really suggested a better alternative. IQ tests are designed to give the best measurement of what would be considered a person's intellect. They're honed and defined by multiple researchers to be as unbiased as possible.

The religious fans here seem to suggest that these tests are ineffective, but I would challenge to ask ... then what test would be better? Is there an IQ test that somehow includes these "left-brain" and religious ideals, in a way that makes them unbiased? Would that support posts like Juroara? I highly doubt it...

my post isn't rocket science, it isn't that hard to get

religious ideals have nothing to do with my post

my post has to do with the two sides of the human being, best illustrated with our two brain halves. one side is more intellectual, the other is more intuitive. also known as one side being masculine and the other side being feminine. the IQ test is still not perfect.

But even less perfect and less reliable are statistics as a way to measure someones intellect!! You can not use a statistic to decide what an individuals intellect is going to be. A random atheist can not use these statistics to go up to a random theist and say "you are less intelligent than me". That is the same as racism.

my argument is a CONCERN of why this type of thread is made anyways, except to boast atheist elitism.

some atheists came to the conclusion that atheists scored higher on the IQ test because they question more than any other group, and the capacity to question means they have a higher intelligence

by their reasoning I am more intelligent than atheists because I question religion and science! elitist atheists are blind and ignorant if they honestly believe no one else has their capacity to question

I brought up the feminine side of the human being as a way to remind that intellect alone is not enough to view any group of people as superior. That such ideology that intelligence is the superior human quality, is what creates elitism of every kind. I brought up the feminine side of the human being as a way to humble the super intelligence of atheist scientists, who without the feminine side of their being, miss the obvious truths in life. And we, as a masculine society, have missed the subtler obvious truths that native and feminine cultures have never forgotten. Such as, not destroying your own habitat!

In other words, even super intelligence can still be blind and ignorant

There is an entire history of elitism here, and it's always had to do with suppressing the feminine side of the human being. For example, people get annoyed if I get emotional in this kind of atmosphere? Why aren't I allowed to be emotional? I'll tell you why. Because once upon a time women were suppressed, and thought of as inferior. Therefore it was believed, and created a stigma for a long time, that emotions and intelligence don't go together.

Look at the history of the IQ test. Why do we even have or need an IQ test? In the past men statistically scored higher than women. It was concluded this meant women are less intelligent than men. Sound familiar?

Critics of the IQ test then pointed out that men created and designed the test, and men score higher. And not just any men, but white men, and white men above colored men were scoring higher. It was suggested that the IQ test was biased. And it turns out, it was. Changes have been made.

Now the IQ test scores atheists higher. We also know that a large number of scientists are atheists. We also know scientists have been 'battling' religion for a while now, weeding out creationism. And sure enough in these statistics that's what I see.......Atheists and Religion. Where the hell is spirituality in the mix? Why are these statistics so cookie cutter? Exactly who is creating these tests and statistics anyways and for what purpose?

And no, I don't have an alternative to the IQ test. Nor do I see a need for one. Tell me a good reason why we need the IQ test except to divide and conquer