Thread: The Nonreligious Are More Intelligent

Or a topic called "the nonreligious are more intelligent" is generally offensive.. Black people are less intelligent would also be offensive.. even if it was true.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Or a topic called "the nonreligious are more intelligent" is generally offensive.. Black people are less intelligent would also be offensive.. even if it was true.

Religion is a choice. Skin colour isn't. That's why it'd be unethical to say something about black people, but it isn't unethical to say something about religious people.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Religion is a choice. Skin colour isn't. That's why it'd be unethical to say something about black people, but it isn't unethical to say something about religious people.

I don't understand why something being a choice means that it all of a sudden isn't unethical?

So basically, if I called homosexuals less intelligent with data backing it... since homosexuality is a "choice" it would be totally ethical?

Originally Posted by DeathCell

I don't understand why something being a choice means that it all of a sudden isn't unethical?

So basically, if I called homosexuals less intelligent with data backing it... since homosexuality is a "choice" it would be totally ethical?

God damn...

NO! Homosexuality has been PROVEN time and again to NOT be a choice. As it is BEYOND the CONTROL of the individual, there would definitely be an element of political incorrectness.

Again, religion is a choice. You can control this aspect of your life. It's tantamount to saying, "People who eat too much candy without brushing tend to have bad teeth." It is statement of fact and a lifestyle choice within control of the individual.

Now, I beg you, either drop the issue you have with the title or go away.

Homosexuality is an orientation, and calling it a choice would get some political-correctness nazis to bash you. Just between you and me, I tried to stop liking boys, and couldn't. Michael Jackson tried to stop being black, too.

Yet, if you tried to let go of religion, you would be able to. That's why religion is a choice. And it is perfectly ethical to disagree with choices. Thus, the title is ethical.

Seriously, lower IQ doesn't mean inferior. Science should not have judgement of value.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

I don't understand why something being a choice means that it all of a sudden isn't unethical?

So basically, if I called homosexuals less intelligent with data backing it... since homosexuality is a "choice" it would be totally ethical?

Homosexuality in Animals;

A Comparison of LH Secretion and Brain Estradiol Receptors in Heterosexual and Homosexual Rams and Female Sheep. Sciene Direct;
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...d57ca07e932fe3

Homosexuality in Humans

A neuroendocrine predisposition for homosexuality in men. Springer Netherlands.
+ http://www.springerlink.com/content/g1176x7289822289/

Sexual Orientation and the size of the anterior commissure in the human brain. Neurobiology.
+ http://www.pnas.org/content/89/15/7199.full.pdf

Male Homosexuality: The Adolescent’s Perspective. Pediatrics
+ http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...urcetype=HWCIT

Abnormalities of Male-Specific FRU Protein and Serotonin Expression in the CNS of fruitless Mutants in Drosophila. Journal of Neuroscience;
+ http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content...urcetype=HWCIT

An enlarged suprachiasmatic nucleus in homosexual men. Science Direct.
+ http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...d21363fa9ce91d

The association between the fraternal birth order effect in male homosexuality and other markers of human sexual orientation. Biology Letters.
+ http://rsbl.royalsocietypublishing.o...urcetype=HWCIT

Sexual Differentiation of the Bed Nucleus of the Stria Terminalis in Humans May Extend into Adulthood. Journal of Neuroscience;
+ http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content...urcetype=HWCIT

Need more?

Edit: Do you accept links as non-junk science if they are not from wikipedia? Ought I link to wikipedia or some other simplistic site for you to read?

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Furthermore, why do people keep bringing up the ethics of the title?

Let us say that a ethnicity, a race, or some other random trait of a human had significant evidence for being more intellectual than the other. Would you not want to consider what that evidence then? Would it not be useful for us?

Also, why do people keep saying that this is Atheist propaganda?

The IQ test is not religious bias whatsoever; anyone who argues that is just ignorant (honestly, read the WAIS). There's no religious subtext in "2+2=?" or "what comes next..?" in a pattern recognition.

If the results show that religious people average lower than non-religious, then what propaganda am I preaching?

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I'm religious... and frankly, I don't care about your study.

I don't care if I'm less intelligent (my IQ is almost off the charts and yes, I am a Christian who regularly attends church, but if you want to claim that its a fluke and most religious people are less intelligent than average than so be it).

I don't care what you have to say.

I'm posting this, and then I'm never looking at this thread again, because it doesn't concern me at all.

Debates similar to this have been going on forever... atheists attempting ot undermine the religious by claiming that they are less intelligent since they believe in something beyond , and religious attempting to defend themselves.

I don't care if you try and hide behind the phrase "I'm merely posting data," you yourself know that attempting to undermine the religious is exactly what you're doing, otherwise why would you bother to post all of this data? Don't give me excuses and flimsy "it's for science" shit. Anyone with half a brain can see right through that.

You're not going to change anyone's opinion, your merely looking to start an argument because deep inside you know that your data is not going to change anyone's opinion on the matter. Religious will stay opposed to it, despite all of your data, and atheists will rally around it perhaps, but in the end nothing changes.



Jesus, people, come on.

You can reply if you want, quote me, etc... I don't care because I'm not responding anyways... I've said what I'm going to say, and hopefully some of you will see the futility of this thread and all the others revolving around similar topics.

In the end, no one changes their mind.

Nothing changes.

The thread may as well have not existed, and it only served as a warzone for argument... no real progress was made.

Its happened before, ever since this forum started, and you guys are just feeding it, prolonging it.

Bah, I'm done.

Originally Posted by WakataDreamer

Nothing changes.

This is only true of hard-headed louts who make drive by posts that do nothing but assure us they are stubborn fools uninterested in the truth. Your post is the most useless and intellectually robbed post in this entire thread.

Originally Posted by WakataDreamer

so is he the little girl or the ass?

The religious have the lowest intelligence. The atheist have higher intelligence, that's not bad. But if your IQ gets even higher, those who have the REALLY big IQs then you find the religion behind the religion, the spirituality behind the spirituality.

But those rules get broken all the time anyway : ), just keep living your life as well as you can.

edit: and I don't mean this is as a hierarchy really, some are meant to be religious I am glad for them they are full of goodness and intelligence. Some are meant to be atheist and they are full of goodness and intelligence and some are meant in the third category and likewise. Just from my humble opinion anyways

Originally Posted by O'nus

Homosexuality in Animals;

A Comparison of LH Secretion and Brain Estradiol Receptors in Heterosexual and Homosexual Rams and Female Sheep. Sciene Direct;
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...d57ca07e932fe3

Homosexuality in Humans

A neuroendocrine predisposition for homosexuality in men. Springer Netherlands.
+ http://www.springerlink.com/content/g1176x7289822289/

Sexual Orientation and the size of the anterior commissure in the human brain. Neurobiology.
+ http://www.pnas.org/content/89/15/7199.full.pdf

Male Homosexuality: The Adolescent’s Perspective. Pediatrics
+ http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...urcetype=HWCIT

Abnormalities of Male-Specific FRU Protein and Serotonin Expression in the CNS of fruitless Mutants in Drosophila. Journal of Neuroscience;
+ http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content...urcetype=HWCIT

An enlarged suprachiasmatic nucleus in homosexual men. Science Direct.
+ http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...d21363fa9ce91d

The association between the fraternal birth order effect in male homosexuality and other markers of human sexual orientation. Biology Letters.
+ http://rsbl.royalsocietypublishing.o...urcetype=HWCIT

Sexual Differentiation of the Bed Nucleus of the Stria Terminalis in Humans May Extend into Adulthood. Journal of Neuroscience;
+ http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content...urcetype=HWCIT

Need more?

Edit: Do you accept links as non-junk science if they are not from wikipedia? Ought I link to wikipedia or some other simplistic site for you to read?

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Furthermore, why do people keep bringing up the ethics of the title?

Let us say that a ethnicity, a race, or some other random trait of a human had significant evidence for being more intellectual than the other. Would you not want to consider what that evidence then? Would it not be useful for us?

Also, why do people keep saying that this is Atheist propaganda?

The IQ test is not religious bias whatsoever; anyone who argues that is just ignorant (honestly, read the WAIS). There's no religious subtext in "2+2=?" or "what comes next..?" in a pattern recognition.

If the results show that religious people average lower than non-religious, then what propaganda am I preaching?

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Yes Onus, I'm well aware of Homosexuality in animals, and the evidence contrary of peoples opinions. I was using it as a what if statement.. lots of people believe it to be a choice.

I didn't say "choice" for no reason, Onus.


P.S. White People Are Smarter Than Non-Whites!!!

Wonder if that title would offend anyone...

Your study isn't the final word on intelligence, and it's barely scratching the beginning of real research.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Yes Onus, I'm well aware of Homosexuality in animals, and the evidence contrary of peoples opinions. I was using it as a what if statement.. lots of people believe it to be a choice.

I didn't say "choice" for no reason, Onus.

The people who "believe" it to be "choice" are wrong. People can believe wrong things, did you know that?

P.S. White People Are Smarter Than Non-Whites!!!

Wonder if that title would offend anyone...

Your study isn't the final word on intelligence, and it's barely scratching the beginning of real research.

Are you a complete idiot or deliberately trying to annoy everyone? I have said that exact same thing. Read my damn posts. You are one step away from a troll.

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Originally Posted by O'nus

The people who "believe" it to be "choice" are wrong. People can believe wrong things, did you know that?

Living in acordance to homosexuality is a choice, having atraction for males isn't a choice. Same as living a life acording to heterosexuality is a choice.

Originally Posted by O'nus

The people who "believe" it to be "choice" are wrong. People can believe wrong things, did you know that?

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Are you a complete idiot or deliberately trying to annoy everyone? I have said that exact same thing. Read my damn posts. You are one step away from a troll.

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Onus, you are ridiculous. One step away from a troll huh? If you didn't think it was important or even proof of anything why would you name it a topic like you did... only after being confronted do you admit..

You are one step away from being invalid. Honestly Onus, I used to have some respect for you, but most of that is gone. I've done nothing but come in here and show you how ridiculous your statements are and I'm a troll. Simply because my arguments aren't concrete enough for you, your a god damn hypocritical, stuck up snob. It's that simple, not everyone on a forum is going to waste hours studying something so unimportant and useless. It's doing nothing useful for the world, it's not helping explain intelligence, only categorizing people to drive a bigger wedge between humans.(I'm going to reply to your large post a page back and than I'm hopefully going to stop listening to you.. because you keep accusing me of having no argument or cause, when I clearly do.. so just because you can ignore everything I say.. doesn't mean I don't have an argument...)


P.S. I love your whole dodging the outliers thing.. but why would you have to address that...?