Thread: The Nonreligious Are More Intelligent

Ok? Just makes you look like an assclown..

Like I said. I never said, you are an assclown Onus! I said it makes you look like one.. And in later posts made sure that I properly explained what that sentence meant.

Originally Posted by Onus

I provided evidence. Making prejudicial and simple rebuttals actually makes you look like an ass if all you got is ad hominems.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Actually it's the truth, if this is what you feel is an important study than you look like an assclown. It's that simple, it's not an ad hominem attack that's how you will be viewed by the majority of people.

I was trying to make Onus aware that his actions, and how he words himself, and what he chooses as important will have a great effect on how the majority of people will view him...

But he didn't want anything to do with that, he could careless how others see him he's more worried about other things..



More on topic, because this discussion is nothing but cluttering up this forum.

http://www.businessweek.com/innovate...929_872877.htm

The test achieves reliability by defining intelligence very narrowly, as the ability to solve simple analytical problems. It measures intelligence via a multiple-choice test that can be evaluated with no possibility of bias in measurement or judgment.

The problem is that IQ doesn't serve as a particularly great predictor of anything. In his best-selling book Emotional Intelligence, Daniel Goleman argues that EQ makes for a much better predictor of success in life than IQ. In essence, he argues that while IQ may demonstrate high reliability, it has modest validity.

To increase the validity of any process, one must consider a wide array of relevant variables. Goleman's EQ, for instance, builds on more qualitative considerations and judgment to produce what he argues has higher validity.

Of course, we would like a process that has both high validity and reliability. Up to a point, it's possible to get more of both, simply by being more thoughtful and less sloppy. But ultimately, more reliability requires fewer variables and therefore less validity, and vice versa. Reliability and validity seem to conflict.

Whole article is well worth the read.

Originally Posted by mowglycdb

chill out bro , they think you're a troll because you insult when answering and you show anger, if you answer in a more relaxed way maybe it would change.

^This. Dude, you've been posting flame and insults for the last couple of days, and nothing more. I've tried to have some patience, but it is quickly wearing thin. Now please, either stop attacking people, or leave the thread. I'm asking nicely, here.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Onus, you are ridiculous. One step away from a troll huh? If you didn't think it was important or even proof of anything why would you name it a topic like you did... only after being confronted do you admit..

You are one step away from being invalid. Honestly Onus, I used to have some respect for you, but most of that is gone. I've done nothing but come in here and show you how ridiculous your statements are and I'm a troll. Simply because my arguments aren't concrete enough for you, your a god damn hypocritical, stuck up snob. It's that simple, not everyone on a forum is going to waste hours studying something so unimportant and useless. It's doing nothing useful for the world, it's not helping explain intelligence, only categorizing people to drive a bigger wedge between humans.(I'm going to reply to your large post a page back and than I'm hopefully going to stop listening to you.. because you keep accusing me of having no argument or cause, when I clearly do.. so just because you can ignore everything I say.. doesn't mean I don't have an argument...)


P.S. I love your whole dodging the outliers thing.. but why would you have to address that...?

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Go climb in a fucking pipe.


All of a sudden I'm a troll? It's funny because I've been posting here since August of 2008 and this is the first topic I've been accused of this... Perhaps your just full of shit, and since you have no argument against what I've said you ignore my arguments and focus on bullshit like calling me a troll.. Just throw any word around and keep repeating yourself! It makes it true right.



Just because I think this topic and his study is stupid, moronic and not accurate means I'm a troll?


You know what? F**k you. Your the one whose post have added nothing to the discussion. Absolutely nothing, I've from the start stated my feelings and my opinions.. Just because you guys have your heads stuck so far up your asses that any argument I make is not valid doesn't mean I haven't made them..

Go stroke your own cocks somewhere else.







(Alrics rebuttals, than my posting about how others would view onus(which he took as a personal attack, when my worlds clearly said.."Atheists calling superiority of intelligence over religious people just makes you look like an assclown." ,outliers like the US and no proper explanation which is a No-No in statistics, and little to no mention of other factors.. It's obvious what the agenda of a study like this is, if you don't want to accept that that's fine but at least try debating with me instead of wasting text and making useless accusations that the majority of this forum knows is bullshit.)

P.S. Titling is one of the most important concepts we have available, and is the first thing the majority of people will notice...

Here is a few articles on the importance of titles, just because you are unaware of it's importance doesn't mean it's not. More likely shows your age or lack of experience when it comes to communication and writing skills.

http://www.writingsimplified.com/200...of-titles.html
http://www.readwritethink.org/lesson...ew.asp?id=1109
http://www.whitepapersource.com/writing/writing_titles/

His title left no room for anything but the nonreligious being more intelligent, whether religion is the main factor as Onus said has little effect on him.. Which is very misleading, especially if their are more pressing and important factors affecting intelligence.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

F**k you. Call me a troll all you want. I really don't care about the opinion of you and Onus. I'll show you a flame war, because this is hardly close to one.

This just in you, you and your posse aren't the whole forum.


Still no proper explanation of the outlier.. But why should you have to address something that invalidates your data?\


Please for the love of the goddess, think before you make your next post instead of repeating yourself and explain why their is an outlier.


Whites are more intelligent.

Men are more intelligent.


I wonder how that could possibly offend anyone? But I know you don't care about offending anyone, because of causation. You know even in the world of science, people should learn how to communicate their information in a way that won't offend.

For example, look at this article...

http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/j/jencks-gap.html

Should I now start a topic titled, White people are more intelligent than black people ?

After all their is data supporting it..

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Listen here you child. I don't take your little ultimatums. You are in no way in control of my actions. So if you demand something from me I will do the opposite, especially when you've added less than me to this debate. Grow up, perhaps you should pull that mote out of your own eye first darling.

I don't like the thread, but I'm not leaving.


P.S. Please think about not being a moron in your next post, or your place as pointless poster will be cemented.



It's funny when people come in preaching moral superiority or some sort of perfectness when they are in fact themselves acting like a troll. You're the one who keeps addressing me with nothing, certainty no rebuttal to my arguments.



*So far any arguments I've posted you've ignored...

Originally Posted by DeathCell

I'll answer in a non-insulting way, when I'm accorded the same respect.. That has not been the case since I came into this topic.

Just because Onus tries to veil his insults in a wall of text, doesn't mean I can't see them.

And this isn't the first time I've had issues with these people, they don't think I'm a troll.. They know I've been posting here for ages, never having been accused of such nonsense. They are simply, because they know their little study and topic is utter bullshit, have degenerated into labeling the opposition as something.(Troll)

Otherwise maybe they'd have more to say about rebuttal of Lynn I posted for him. Or the fact that an outlier in statistics unless properly explained has a high chance of indicating a problem in how the data was gathered.. But that's not enough of an argument for them, I'm just a troll as they keep repeating....

He's a troll!!! For getting pissed off for being insulted omg!!

Let's show Onus being a rude, self-serving, hypocritical, snob.







Onus, just because you don't agree with an me, doesn't mean my argument is not valid.. nor does it reinforce your original argument.. It does show you being a snob. Their was no emotional distress in my posts, and claiming such nonsense is just silly. My response was quite intelligent, sad that you are so cut off from reality. Their is more to life that poorly correlated statistics.





Perhaps you should take your own advice, ad hominems seem to be your cup of tea. And I love your non explanation of "childish prepositions", Implying something without any reasoning or evidence.. just because you have no proper rebuttal to my argument doesn't mean it's childish.. just means you feel superior.


And than when it is... you don't address that rebuttal because you can't... yet your study is somehow still fact in your mind.



Now that your Crux has been crushed, your passion seems to have you blinded..


I should be asking you that same question Onus...



That was never my argument, and the fact that all my words were never actually read and processed by yourself.. You in your haste and anger, assumed that was my argument.. My original point was that this study does nothing to service the atheist movement, and that you would be viewed as an "assclown" for lack of a better term by a large majority of people... Course you don't care how people react, that is quite obvious in your style of posting. Than I said your wrong, because of the shoddy correlations, and later posted rebuttals to the Lynn Study and than I pointed out an unexplained outlier.. which is an important part of statistics.


You sir.

Infrequent??? Well here are many examples I've provided above. All from this one topic.

I never attacked you in the beginning... explaining to you how others will view you is not an attack.. I've provided plenty of substance, you choose to ignore it because my "assclown" comment obviously tipped you off.

Onus is just a lovely peach cobbler who never does an ounce of harm, he doesn't even show his emotions or lack of taste in any of his posts....

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Ok? Just makes you look like an assclown..

Like I said. I never said, you are an assclown Onus! I said it makes you look like one.. And in later posts made sure that I properly explained what that sentence meant.





I was trying to make Onus aware that his actions, and how he words himself, and what he chooses as important will have a great effect on how the majority of people will view him...

But he didn't want anything to do with that, he could careless how others see him he's more worried about other things..



More on topic, because this discussion is nothing but cluttering up this forum.

http://www.businessweek.com/innovate...929_872877.htm



Whole article is well worth the read.

Yeah, about 80% of that is pure flame. Not saying I'm not guilty in all of this, but not nearly to the extent you are. Messages like that have no place in our happy forum. If you would like a civilized debate, then please act like it. People are much more likely to respond in a positive fashion when you aren't hurling insults about.

Originally Posted by Mario92

If you would like a civilized debate, then please act like it. People are much more likely to respond in a positive fashion when you aren't hurling insults about.

I think we are all astute enough to recognize that this thread was never intended for civil debate.

Originally Posted by Mario92

^This. Dude, you've been posting flame and insults for the last couple of days, and nothing more. I've tried to have some patience, but it is quickly wearing thin. Now please, either stop attacking people, or leave the thread. I'm asking nicely, here.













Yeah, about 80% of that is pure flame. Not saying I'm not guilty in all of this, but not nearly to the extent you are. Messages like that have no place in our happy forum. If you would like a civilized debate, then please act like it. People are much more likely to respond in a positive fashion when you aren't hurling insults about.

Stop acting like my anger is unwarranted. It's a cop-out to debating. I don't just come in here looking to insult, but when I'm insulted you damn sure better be ready to face my wrath. If you don't want to hear my pissed off words, try showing some respect.. and don't come in here demanding my actions.. Your not the boss/admin. Leave the moderating to the MODERATORS.

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Stop acting like my anger is unwarranted. It's a cop-out to debating. I don't just come in here looking to insult, but when I'm insulted you damn sure better be ready to face my wrath. If you don't want to hear my pissed off words, try showing some respect.. and don't come in here demanding my actions.. Your not the boss/admin. Leave the moderating to the MODERATORS.

Look, I'm going to be chill about this. Now, you should very well know, whenever someone insults you over the internet, the single worst thing you can do is respond to it. Besides...

Originally posted by Deathcell
Atheists calling superiority of intelligence over religious people just makes you look like an assclown.

Has atheism really came to the point that they need to spread propaganda or faulty correlations? Reminiscent of the church telling us to abandon our other religions for Heaven, now we must abandon religion for intelligence I assume? After all his study shows us.... lol

This is a disservice to the atheist movement.

...technically speaking, you started it. This, however, is beside the point. I'm willing to put all this aside and get back to the debate so that someone may finally answer a few of your questions.

Right, you were wondering about the great outlier known as the United States? I have a hypothesis for this: perhaps, because America has such a strict separation of church and state, religion is not there to interfere as much in the education process as some other world nations. Because religion does not play as great a role in formal education, it has less overall impact on the ACH thinking of individuals.

Another possibility is that many Americans are "passively" religious. Maybe they were raised a certain way, but don't like being called "nonreligious" or "atheist," which would account for the apparent extreme religiosity of America. Just an idea, but I could see it happening. Similar things can be seen in the political system. When a person takes a stance on politics opposite that taken by their parents, rather than identifying with the opposite party, they simply label themselves as "independent." So, this idea may hold some water.

Mario you did nothing but quote entire walls of texts, and continue to refuse to accept that my "assclown" comment was never intended as an insult.. or as you said "started it". I've already explained that, it's how he would be viewed.. though you keep ignoring my repeating of the same thing.. It's not a surprise for the desperate.

I never came into the topic and said Onus is an assclown.. For lack of a better term a large majority of people will probably view him in even less kosher of terminology.

It's obvious that some people hate Religion so much, that they find this topic to be of utmost importance. Sadly, their time could be better spent.. but don't tell them that.

Did you even read what I wrote inside the walls of text? Yeah, all that red is me talking. I think it's a lot easier to go through and deal with your points in that fashion instead of wrapping "quote" tags about every little thing.

Furthermore, I fail to see any real points you made in your last post. You're the one hung up on whether you started it or not. I said, "Though it doesn't much matter."

Atheists calling superiority of intelligence over religious people just makes you look like an assclown.

Has atheism really came to the point that they need to spread propaganda or faulty correlations? Reminiscent of the church telling us to abandon our other religions for Heaven, now we must abandon religion for intelligence I assume? After all his study shows us.... lol

This is a disservice to the atheist movement.

Yeah, I view that post as being quite ambiguous, and without further explanation, is mostly an insult.

Also, was my explanation for the outlier satisfactory?

Originally Posted by DeathCell

Like I said. I never said, you are an assclown Onus! I said it makes you look like one.. And in later posts made sure that I properly explained what that sentence meant.

I suppose if I find controversial research, I ought to not bring it up at DV because it might offend people.

My apologies; I will make sure to only post threads about teddy bears and rainbows.

I was trying to make Onus aware that his actions, and how he words himself, and what he chooses as important will have a great effect on how the majority of people will view him...

But he didn't want anything to do with that, he could careless how others see him he's more worried about other things..

Just what other things do you think that was..?

Do you really think I care of the feelings of the greatest suppression to human inquiry of knowledge? Ever since Socrates' death there has been an iron curtain between those who are closed and those who are open minded. Which side are you on? It certainly does not seem like you want to investigate possible falsehood in your belief, nor discuss them, so what would that make you?

Enjoy your mental isolation. Personally, I choose to open it.

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