Thread: LSD explained for what it is.

Originally Posted by JamesLD

IMO, do acid before you do dmt. DMT is out of this world. acid is great you have nothing to worry about, and it will deffinetly help prepare you for the dmt trip.

BTW, how much did you get the dmt for?

I don't know if I agree with this. From what I have read, which is extensive, DMT is like nothing you will ever experience on any other drug. The closest drug though is apparently shrooms. But that's using close loosely.

So IMO I think it would be fine to try a small hit of DMT first just to get a feel for it's effects and then work up to a breakthrough.

I don't know why, but I see this contradiction all the time. "DMT is like no other psychedelic" "try acid first though".

Doesn't make much sense to me....

Also Motumz, do NOT. EVER. take the dealers word as gospel. They are mostly scum. "Weak" is objective, he could take acid everyday for all you know and therefore he thinks it is weak, whereas for a first timer it could be incredibly potent. Or he could just be flat out lying.

Anyway, take care. And remember, set, setting, dosage, sitter.

Originally Posted by tommo

I don't know why, but I see this contradiction all the time. "DMT is like no other psychedelic" "try acid first though".

Doesn't make much sense to me....

how does this not make sense? say a person has never taken psychedelic, and there interested in dmt, would you suggest they try dmt first?? thats a little crazy, thats why i would suggest trying other psychedelics first so you get an idea of what the psychedelic experience is like.

Originally Posted by tommo

I don't know why, but I see this contradiction all the time. "DMT is like no other psychedelic" "try acid first though".

Doesn't make much sense to me....

The experience you get from LSD is a good stepping stone to DMT, that's all. It's like this. Someone who has done nothing will not be able to even properly conceptualize what the DMT experience is. Someone who has taken LSD can at least imagine the experience even if the actual experience is not very similar to what they imagined. From what I know, I would suggest also becoming familiar with Salvia before experimenting with DMT.

I guess we agree Xaqaria.

My personal stepping stones (in chronological order)were:
Marijuana, Mushrooms (over abt. 15 experiences), 3 Hawaiian Baby WoodRose seeds(containing LSA), LSD( abt. 10 experiences) then DMT, then Ayahuasca.

What the psychedelics I did before I did DMT and Ayahuasca have taught me was a sort of "framework" in which to manage and interpret such experiences. Most valuable lessons were:

-Let whatever is, be. Don't resist. Don't seek to control the experience Ride it out. Accept everything; both negative and positive.
-Have faith in the healing & teaching nature of whatever it is you're ingesting. Otherwise you shouldn't be taking it.
- If negative thoughts, feelings, perceptions..etc arise, don't freak out. Remain calm and regard them as teachers and pay close attention.
- Detatch yourself from a 1st person perspective where it seems that everything is happening to "You". Instead see yourself in 3d person, like just another human being having just another human experience. This detatchment(from the ego) makes for a far calmer, clearer and observant perspective.

Ahh, you've taken LSA. That is the only psychedelic I've ever done. The friends who gave it to me were incredibly irresponsible, and I was young and dumb. I took 6 seeds at their suggestion...then a couple hours later, when I thought I couldn't feel it (even though I was actually starting to trip pretty hard), I asked if I could take some more. They said sure, told me to take 2...and because I was already half gone, I decided to take 4.

It didn't help that the atmosphere was a beat up apartment inhabited by a schizophrenic psychopath obsessed with serial killers (and who fit the profile of one himself) and his clinically depressed boyfriend.

Worst day/night of my entire life. Caused some psychological damage, too. I'm so glad I don't hang out with them anymore. Never would have in the first place if they weren't "close" friends of my roommate at the time.

I don't blame the drug, though. I'm sure if I had been responsible about it things would have gone much better.

Yeah the enviroment in which you undergo Entheogenesis is VERY influential.

I took ayahuasca with the Santo Daime members in their church. It was a really healing ritual. Their chanting gave me the courage to face and overcome the darkness/fear/anger I was meaning to rinse out of myself.

Had I done this in a cluttered squad-building full of smelly, confused, irresponsible people I don't even dare to think of how that might have affected me.

Instead, by taking Ayahuasca in ceremonial setting with strong, responsible and knowledgable people, it was a true blessing. I was truely able to take a HUGE burdain off of my shoulders, encouraged by so much love, strength and chanting.

Something like that, I would love to experience.

Right now I'm avoiding entheogens because I want to attempt consciousness-expansion without them first (meditation, LDs, etc.)

But if I had an opportunity to attend/experience a ritual like that, I'd jump at it.

Well I don't know where you live, but Santo Daime has chruches worldwide. Maybe worth looking on Santo-Daime's site to see if there are any local churches.