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I don't think technological progress is in some way a sentient force driving us. I think it's just a product of the simple human desire for purpose. We create this great endeavour like a God to worship; something to be part of greater than oneself; simply something to do.

Originally Posted by Xei

I don't think technological progress is in some way a sentient force driving us. I think it's just a product of the simple human desire for purpose. We create this great endeavour like a God to worship; something to be part of greater than oneself; simply something to do.

You don't think those humans involved in technological progress constitute a "sentient force"?

What I'm saying is that technology in itself is not consciously serving its own purposes. Rather it is a byproduct of human desires.

Agreed. Machine consciousness cannot be using us to further it's own ends, at least not now, because it does not yet exist in any significant manner.

It's backwards thinking to suppose such a thing.

It may well be that humans will produce a new "machine based" manifestation of consciousness which will eclipse our own consciousness, but said manifestation will not have caused us to do so.

Yeah, I agree with that.

Originally Posted by Xei

I don't think technological progress is in some way a sentient force driving us. I think it's just a product of the simple human desire for purpose. We create this great endeavour like a God to worship; something to be part of greater than oneself; simply something to do.

I think you misunderstood. What he's saying is that it, in a way, is driving us because we have a sort of insatiable desire to get it better and better. Then eventually it will become smarter than us, or we will live 'inside' it; our consciousnesses.

Also, who gives a fuck whether he can comment on UFC. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Originally Posted by tommo

I think you misunderstood. What he's saying is that it, in a way, is driving us because we have a sort of insatiable desire to get it better and better. Then eventually it will become smarter than us, or we will live 'inside' it; our consciousnesses.

Where does this idea that someday technology will become "smarter" than us spawn from? Honestly, it makes very little sense to me.

Um.... what do you think? Have you never seen AI, iRobot, Bicentennial Man, Terminator etc. etc.
We are trying to build these robots right now. Of course they will get smarter than us. If we can successfully make them conscious, they will instantly be smarter because computers already can process more data quicker than humans.

Originally Posted by tommo

Um.... what do you think? Have you never seen AI, iRobot, Bicentennial Man, Terminator etc. etc.

I have, and they are films. Fictional films.

Originally Posted by tommo

We are trying to build these robots right now.

Source? To my knowledge the most advanced robot at the moment is ASIMO, which, while totally remarkable, could hardly spell doom for the human race.

Originally Posted by tommo

Of course they will get smarter than us. If we can successfully make them conscious, they will instantly be smarter because computers already can process more data quicker than humans.

I doubt it would happen instantaneously. When AI comes around (if it even does), I highly doubt that it will happen at once, meaning that the very first robot or computer with AI will have a conscientiousness similar to humans. Rather I see it being a long and gradual process, something that would be much easier to govern. However, this is all speculation.

Originally Posted by Catbus

I have, and they are films. Fictional films.

You fail at getting the point. What I'm saying is that that is how they will get smarter than us.

Originally Posted by Catbus

I doubt it would happen instantaneously. When AI comes around (if it even does), I highly doubt that it will happen at once, meaning that the very first robot or computer with AI will have a conscientiousness similar to humans. Rather I see it being a long and gradual process, something that would be much easier to govern. However, this is all speculation.

Well if the very first robot or computer to get AI has consciousness similar to humans, it will already be considered smarter than us. If you didn't understand what I said, computers now already kick the shit out of a human brain in calculations per second. Like our best computers. Computers will also improve a lot between now and when we get AI, like we'll have quantum computers. So they will be smarter right away.

Originally Posted by tommo

You fail at getting the point. What I'm saying is that that is how they will get smarter than us.

I understood your point, I was just highlighting the fact that it's a bit outlandish.

Originally Posted by tommo

Well if the very first robot or computer to get AI has consciousness similar to humans, it will already be considered smarter than us. If you didn't understand what I said, computers now already kick the shit out of a human brain in calculations per second. Like our best computers. Computers will also improve a lot between now and when we get AI, like we'll have quantum computers. So they will be smarter right away.

That makes sense, and to an extent I can see it's viability, but my initial point was that it's silly to say that technology will eventually grow smarter/turn on us. Technology, to me at least, encompasses a lot more than just robotics.