Originally Posted by DuB
It's interesting that somebody other than myself made this thread. I've been thinking about doing something like this thread for a long time (although I was considering focusing on just one or two "biases" and going into greater detail). This is literally almost exactly what I study. In fact, one of my graduating labmates just accepted a postdoc position under Dan Ariely.
Jackpot. This is great. I would love a more insightful view of some of the
specifics. Since I wanted a broader discussion that does include science,
but would not be restricted to it, it may be a good idea to open up a more
detailed thread in the science section.
Also I don't want to feel like I have stolen your topic of expertise.
Thank you. Did not know him.
All you have to share will be greatly appreciated. I will read and view
everything you have linked to, although it might be a week or two until
I actually have.
If you don't mind, I would link the information you posted in the OP as well,
with reference of course.
Originally Posted by DuB
Anyway, I can't figure out if I am pleased or displeased that these things are being discussed so, erm, "casually" by nonscientists. I suppose the visibility is a good thing. It's just frustrating to see the way people describe some of these phenomena. The findings are so deflated. They come off as trivial and atheoretical.
I know what you mean and I understand.
It is not my intent to deflate any of this, at all. I wouldn't even have made
a thread about this, if I haven't thought of it being important. But as with
any sector, there needs to come a time when it is publicly acknowledged.
And it most likely is not going to be implented into mainstream thought in a
way that is satisfying to a specialist in this sector. Also there are many areas
that hold great importance, especially to those working on it.
The very act of opening up a thread like this on a non-psychology forum,
which you stated you would have done also, would subject the issue to the
public, non-scientific and 'casual' debate.
What I am trying to say is that you might as well just be happy about the
fact that it gets public acknowledgment, which is good for your future field
of work and, as getting mad about rain, you can't really do anything about
it anyway, since this is pretty normal for probably any complex, scientific
issue, making it out of the labs.
Originally Posted by DuB
Another frustrating thing, this time about the list of "top" psychology studies, is that while the findings are billed as cutting edge, most of them are actually just subtle methodological variations on ideas which haven't been new or profound for decades. For example, #1 is (believe it or not) actually a conceptual replication of my advisor's PhD thesis from more than 10 years ago, and #2 is a neuroscientist telling us what a psychologist named Bob Zajonc demonstrated exactly 30 years ago. (It's gratifying to see that this effect occurs somewhere within the brain--just as we suspected!--but it's not very informative. But that's another discussion entirely.) I mean sure, it's interesting stuff, but it isn't new, and the superficial treatment has stripped the findings of their underlying theoretical implications, which is where things really get interesting.
I don't even really know why I posted this list.
I absolutely see your points.
Originally Posted by DuB
That sounds pretty negative, but I don't want to be interpreted as trying to squelch the discussion--far from it.
I read your post quite a few times, and the more I read it, the less negative
it became. To the point that I can see nothing negative about it and find myself
agreeing with you and awaiting further insightful posts. :-)
Basically, your post was great. Better than I had hoped for. And great to think about.
Originally Posted by DuB
("You already spent 100 of your hard earned dollars which you will never get back, so what on Earth is the rational basis for making yourself even more unhappy by forcing yourself to do something you really don't want to do anymore?")
Hehe, yes.
And realizing this, the nagging feeling about the already spent dollars
usually vanishes as well. It's really funny, how we make ourselves more
unhappy with this. (Also worrying about the sunk costs - they are gone,
there is no point).
Originally Posted by DuB
The blurb about the illusion of control is just the tip of the iceberg of a vast literature on perceptions of causality and correlation. It's been said that nature abhors a vacuum; well, the human mind abhors randomness.
Feel free to name a few. I'm always looking for good scientific books to read.
Especially this psychological area interests me and I would in fact read them.
Originally Posted by DuB
What's really interesting to me about the "superiority effect" is how easily it can be reversed. You simply ask people about something they don't think they're any good at. Then not only do they say that they aren't superior to other people, they actually vastly overestimate the extent to which they are worse than average! This is one of many cases of egocentric reasoning: we place far too much weight on our own thoughts, beliefs and actions when making generalizations about others.
Absolutely agreed.
In a way, the inferiority complex often times seems to be connected to an
argument from authority. If people expect someone to be an expert in a
certain field, they quickly start underestimating their own abilities, even if
it was absolutely unneccessary, or the initial thought was correct.
Originally Posted by DuB
One of the most interesting questions in all of psychology, although only tangentially related to the heuristics and biases literature, is that of self-knowledge. Most people take comfort that, if we can never truly know anything else about any other person, we can at least know ourselves. It turns out that our insight into what actually influences or leads to our behavior is frighteningly limited, despite the fact that we feel so certain about it. If you only ever read one psychology paper in your entire life, it should be this classic.
Definitely.
This would even branch into neurology and seeing how incredibly complexe
our brains are, even just observing its functions.
But I love that as soon as you have opened a door in the sciences of the mind
and have gained further understanding, it seems that there are three new doors
that need three new keys, to grasp what we are seeing.
Thanks for the link to the paper, it's saved and will be read.
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