R.i.p. Nevaeh Grace Lyons

[nerve]

this girl needs help. she was 20 weeks pregnant and it was a stillborn. so, she dresses it up, takes a picture, and, get this...she makes it it's own face book page. (and like, 6 R.I.P. groups?) Spoiler for creepy: Spoiler for even creepier: and she talks to it all the time, and even answers for it. Brittany Lyons hey lil one...mommy and daddy love and miss you sooo much..mommy felt you here with us earlier thank you for lettin me know you were here..i love you so much..goodnight lil angel.. :) Brittany Lyons hey my beautiful lil babygirl..mommy loves you so very much..i love you so much..and i miss you like crazy..so does daddy...we feel you everywhere we go..i love you nevaeh grace! I think she needs help. here's the link to the group: l i n k HAHHA, OH SHIT, she messaged me. this is hilarious (I tried to be nice at first): her: so um why is it i need help? me: well, I think your lamentations are a little excessive. I think it is time to move on. please don't think me callous - I understand the loss of a child can be devastating - but it has been what, five months? and you are still acting as if the child is alive and well. I would recommend seeing a psychiatrist, and I say that with only the most amiable and sincere intentions. please, I think it would be good for you. her: awww well like ive said b4 its not something im gonna just move on from and my child is still alive in our hearts and im doin just fine thanks...so once again im gonna say this...your opionins to me dont matter :) me: you are clearly mentally unstable. don't you realize how creepy it is to dress up a dead foetus, take a picture of it, make it a face book and actually talk for it? I realize it is important to find ways to cope with your loss, but clinging to that cadaverous critter is just going to exacerbate your trauma. did you know that the sudden death of an unborn baby can cause the would-have-been mother to go, well, bat-shit crazy? think about it. you could save yourself a lot of pain, not to mention save a lot of people from either cringing or vomiting from the ghastly sight of a titivated little foetus corpse. you are insane, okay? the sooner you realize and accept this, the easier it will be for you to move on, and the happier you'll be.

[Xaqaria]

Not the gentlest of messages, Nerve. I feel like if you were truly honest about the things you said, you probably would have worded it more subtly. "Bat shit crazy", in this context, is not exactly 'amiable'. It is pretty effing nutz though. I just would tell her more dispassionately.

[Xei]

this is hilarious The fuck are you doing?

[Invader]

but it has been what, five months? How did they keep it preserved so long (think they'd feel wrong about freeze drying their dead baby, or stuffing it..................)? Turning a tiny human body into an actual doll is pretty strange by my standards, though. Yeesh. How do we define where the line is?

[Xaqaria]

I would assume they took the pictures and then laid the body to rest in a somewhat appropriate fashion. From what nerve has presented, there is no reason to believe that they are still in possession of the body.

[Invader]

Hrm, yes, an image of a photograph under the first spoiler tag. And separate images for the family picture. That makes sense.

[Daydreamer14]

This made me do a reality check, as they happen to have the same last name as me... Also because it was just plain insane... Alright... See, I understand that they're child was a stillborn, and yes, that is devestatingly upsetting and my thoughts go out to this woman and her family, but really... There's a line between grieving and just being completely insane. You cannot dress up a dead foetus like a doll. You cannot then go and make a Facebook page in memory of this foetus. You can't then expect people not to react to this, I mean obviously there has to be some controversy regarding pictures of a dead stillborn child in babies clothing... I do recall something about Facebook photos having to be 'All age appropriate'..? I do not agree that this is age appropriate in any way, I was almost sick. It was absolutely disturbing. Honestly, this is the type of situation you see on shows like CSI... Mental people that dress up dead babies... I'm sure her and her husband/boyfriend are wonderful people, I just really think that they have crossed that line between normal behaviour and absolutely moronic. My heart goes out to this family- but I just hope that they can move on soon.

[Laughing Man]

Sounds like you need to get a hobby nerve.

[nina]

Wow this is effing creepy as hell. I agree, mommy should see a therapist.

[Indecent Exposure]

What the fuck are you doing confronting this woman in the way you did. "...not to mention save a lot of people from either cringing or vomiting from the ghastly sight of a titivated little foetus corpse. you are insane, okay?" You think she wants to hear this description? How do you think it makes her feel? Fuck you. You didn't say this to this lady in this manner because you wanted to help her, from the tone and the obviously hurtful words used its evident you were acting the same way we do in heated debates, trying to put down the other person whilst flexing your mental muscles and giving yourself some feeling of importance. Your a horrible person, you should leave this person alone, I find your behaviour seriously offensive, I thought dreamviews was better than this.

[dajo]

holy damn, I agree, but I wouldn't have put it as harshly as imran_p. It was all good, up until to your second response. I agree that there are issues that probably need professional dealing with. But that was just really out of line. In that context, your first 'sincere' response seems like a joke/lie. Her response has given you no real reason to lash out like that. If I didn't know any better, I would have said frustrated 14 year old kid in a basement, trolling, because no friends. But really,.. why not just staying out of other people's business? And if that's too hard, at least show some style, man.

[Indecent Exposure]

I agree I probably shouldn't have been so aggressive so I apologize, but that sort of shit really annoys me. It seems like you achieved some form of sick pleasure in your knowledge of the pain you would cause this woman, although I might be wrong.

[shinta66]

Lame way to fucking wake up. Thank you for your ignorance.

[Supernova]

I agree Nerve was a little harsh, but this could go on for a long time if someone doesn't shock her out of it. She has clearly lost it and is beyond the point where she can realize herself that this isn't normal. Maybe what he said caused her pain, but that's inevitable, she will have to deal with a lot of pain when she finally comes out of denial. It's kind of understandable, though, anyone here read the group description?

[dajo]

I just don't think he is in a position to do that, and you don't need to be a psych major to figure out that this might not be the most productive way. Especially without knowing the person at all, it's a risky shot in the dark. If it would have been constructive, I'd argue differently. and by the by... it's not really hilarious, either..

[Supernova]

I'm not saying he should do it, but someone close to her needs to help move that along.

[tommo]

She dedicated a status to you nerve lol "mommy got told some horriable things by a VERY HORRIABLE PERSON!!!!!" Anyway. I don't think she's insane. This is 'normal' in this society. People set up pages all the time for dead babies/foetuses. Who are we to say that she's coping wrongly? She has clearly lost it and is beyond the point where she can realize herself that this isn't normal Why does she have to cope 'normally'? Why should someone have to grieve and then also compose themselves and try to act in a socially acceptable way? When something bad happens, people want to tell as many people as they can, as quickly as possible. That's why you get people calling saying "My dad just died" or something similar. Social networking sites are just the modern way to do this. I think the whole concept of telling everyone is stupid in itself, I don't feel like I need to tell anyone when something bad happens. But some people do, and that's ok.

[nina]

Sorry but posting pictures of your dead fetus dressed in doll clothes is disturbing and creepy. This person would be removed from my friend list immediately. This is last dance with mary jane creepy. When something is dead, let it be fucking dead. Don't give it a personality, dress it up, and parade it around to let everyone in your life know how much you are grieving. I regret ever reading this thread honestly.

[Indecent Exposure]

Sorry but posting pictures of your dead fetus dressed in doll clothes is disturbing and creepy. This person would be removed from my friend list immediately. This is last dance with mary jane creepy. When something is dead, let it be fucking dead. Don't give it a personality, dress it up, and parade it around to let everyone in your life know how much you are grieving. I regret ever reading this thread honestly. So you think its disturbing and creepy? I've always assumed you were a really open minded person from some of your posts, perhaps not. Why is it creepy for her to dress this baby up and take a quick photo before having it buried? Because you say it is, and you don't want to see it? Surely anybody who finds this creepy can just stay out of this woman's business? I find homosexuality disturbing and creepy, but that's life, each to their own. Very judgemental, but that's fine, you have every right to judge; I just think your crossing the line if you think it's right to say stuff to this lady that will evidently cause her pain and suffering, anybody who does that knowingly is in my opinion a sad and twisted person who has no right to judge anybody.

[nina]

Yes, as I stated, I think it is disturbing and creepy. That's just my opinion though. How does that make me closed minded? Where did I ever say that it was right to say anything at all to this lady? I did not, so please don't assume such. I think it was very inappropriate that nerve messaged this woman...however that doesn't change the fact that I find a dead baby facebook page to be creepy...which is what this thread was about in the first place.

[Supernova]

When something bad happens, people want to tell as many people as they can, as quickly as possible. That's why you get people calling saying "My dad just died" or something similar. Social networking sites are just the modern way to do this. I think the whole concept of telling everyone is stupid in itself, I don't feel like I need to tell anyone when something bad happens. But some people do, and that's ok. There's nothing wrong with using a social networking site, that's a personal choice. Personally I never did, and wouldn't, but if a person wants to that's fine too. Why does she have to cope 'normally'? Why should someone have to grieve and then also compose themselves and try to act in a socially acceptable way? I'm not saying she should have to come "normally", there is no "normal" coping. This isn't about greiving in the background but composing yourself and putting on a mask and going out into society and acting as if nothing's wrong. That is very old-fashioned and backwards. I was just pointing out what I saw, and where she will have to go fro here. Taking pictures of the dead fetus and posting them online, then talking to it as if it were still alive is denial, severe denial, spurred on by the mental shock of what happened. Her mind still can't even wrap itslef around the fact that her baby was a stillborn. Different people deal with that differently. Eventually, with time, she will realize that her baby's gone and there's nothing she can do about it. And eventually, she will come to accept that. In the meantime, she needs any support those closest to her can offer, which, don't get me wrong, I'm sure she's getting.

[Half/Dreaming]

Am I the only person who thinks this is at least a little comical? Please, before you freak out on me and tell me im sick and a sociopath and what not, let me clarify that i DO NOT think that her baby dying is funny. Nor do I think her emotional suffering is funny. But come on, they fashioned the fetus a little cap! I don't know, maybe I am a little sick for finding comedy in the things people do when they're emotionally traumatized. Imran is right, though. Its not our place to tell this young lady our opinions. Different ways of coping work for different people. As far as this being creepy and twisted and all that? Idk, i guess so. I've seen a whole lot more twisted shit than this.

[nina]

It's about as funny as a dead baby joke. To each his own though.

[tommo]

I don't think it's funny. I just think it's kinda fucked up. I agree that dressing a dead foetus up in babies clothes is quite fucked up. I wonder whether she was crying while she did it or felt anything at all. I haven't seen her talking to her baby on facebook, so I'll just take nerve's word for it and won't comment on that. So yeah, anyway I'm quite drunk um.... Yes it's fucking stupid. People are stupid. They generally don't know when or how to let go, which is why religion/afterlife was imagined in the first place. It's also why people are kept on life support for 20 years when they are just a piece of meat.

[Indecent Exposure]

Am I the only person who thinks this is at least a little comical? Please, before you freak out on me and tell me im sick and a sociopath and what not, let me clarify that i DO NOT think that her baby dying is funny. Nor do I think her emotional suffering is funny. But come on, they fashioned the fetus a little cap! I don't know, maybe I am a little sick for finding comedy in the things people do when they're emotionally traumatized. Imran is right, though. Its not our place to tell this young lady our opinions. Different ways of coping work for different people. As far as this being creepy and twisted and all that? Idk, i guess so. I've seen a whole lot more twisted shit than this. To be honest mate I can't see any humour in it. Sometimes I find myself laughing at jokes i probably shouldn't; when someone tells a joke that is probably over the line. But I can't find this funny because this isn't a joke, we can see her Facebook page and in reading it and seeing her face it makes it real to me. To me there's nothing funny about this, and even if there was i wouldn't be able to find it funny. If it was on TV in some drama, yeah it might be funny, but this is real. Imagine driving past a horrific car accident and there's a dead body on the road and there's a big dick drawn on the guys forehead, maybe on TV that's funny but i doubt you first reaction would be to laugh. The feelings of sadness that accompany the suffering of fellow people is a really strong overriding emotion for me when I can see it firsthand. Don't you experience this?