Hard time for dreamers?

[ragincajun2288]

Was watching the movie Waking Life, (great informational movie btw), and in one scene a man hops from a train and asks the main character if he is a dreamer. He answers yes. The man goes on to explain that it's a hard time for dreamers. I feel like I've been struggling lately with my dreaming even though I've been trying pretty hard. Why would it be a hard time for dreamers? Is anyone else encountering problems recently? What are your thoughts?

[ChrissyMaria]

Wow that's kind of creepy in a way, because I have been having a lot of trouble remembering dreams, and having good ones are rarer in the past few months or so. Perhaps the world is just, in a dark age?

[IndigoGhost]

Was watching the movie Waking Life, (great informational movie btw), and in one scene a man hops from a train and asks the main character if he is a dreamer. He answers yes. The man goes on to explain that it's a hard time for dreamers. I feel like I've been struggling lately with my dreaming even though I've been trying pretty hard. Why would it be a hard time for dreamers? Is anyone else encountering problems recently? What are your thoughts? It could be talking about how humans are being conditioned for logic rather then creativity and the dreamers or the creative ones are finding it hard to survive without becoming rooted in logic and losing there dreaming ability to dead end jobs and credit cards.

[DjSuspense]

It could be talking about how humans are being conditioned for logic rather then creativity and the dreamers or the creative ones are finding it hard to survive without becoming rooted in logic and losing there dreaming ability to dead end jobs and credit cards. Well put, I feel like it may have been referring to how closed minded society is on the whole subject. A lot of people seem to just go about their daily lives without ever even contemplating the power of their own mind. Most people just accept reality as it appears through their eyes, so they automatically think its absurd when someone brings up the idea of being able to use their brain power to such an extent of being able to LD or AP. It's the creative ones that always seem to understand, or at least be interested in the whole concept of it.

[CQDanger]

Well put, I feel like it may have been referring to how closed minded society is on the whole subject. A lot of people seem to just go about their daily lives without ever even contemplating the power of their own mind. Most people just accept reality as it appears through their eyes, so they automatically think its absurd when someone brings up the idea of being able to use their brain power to such an extent of being able to LD or AP. It's the creative ones that always seem to understand, or at least be interested in the whole concept of it. This is so depressing to me but sadly for the most part you are right. And I've been guilty of it in the past myself. Losing my creative deamy side because society was starting to drill into my head that it accomplishes nothing to dream and that lucid dreaming is a waste of time. And here I've been wondering why I've felt so beige lately.

[IndigoGhost]

This is so depressing to me but sadly for the most part you are right. And I've been guilty of it in the past myself. Losing my creative deamy side because society was starting to drill into my head that it accomplishes nothing to dream and that lucid dreaming is a waste of time. And here I've been wondering why I've felt so beige lately. That's why you have to do like me and use your creative secrets to make enough money so that you don't have to worry anymore and can spend your time on the magic of life.

[stayinglucid]

this may sound weird, but my LD isnt off track at all, but recently the dreams have been very different, weird. more unexplainable than usal, but dreams are usally pretty crazy.

[Halfbaker]

mabe you should calm down a little. remember, dreams reflect your waking life, so if you are having a period where your life seems boring and repetitive, your dreams will certainly not be unbelievable. I think you get nightmares if you think about scary things or if you get indigestion. It could be talking about how humans are being conditioned for logic rather then creativity and the dreamers or the creative ones are finding it hard to survive without becoming rooted in logic and losing there dreaming ability to dead end jobs and credit cards. Hmmmm... I'm a little skeptical about that, creativity and logic often overlap. For example engineers have to think of creative ways to solve problems that would logically work. It's a myth that creativity and logic can't live a peaceful existence together.

[ragincajun2288]

More and more people everyday learn about lucid dreaming and take an interest in it. Yes, that's why almost everyone on this forum is relegated to it, because they know so many people that are interested in it in real life. Get out of here man, how many times have you seen kids on here post they don't know anybody at all that does this stuff. I myself know one person. One. And I know a lot of people.

[Supernova]

Hmmmm... I'm a little skeptical about that, creativity and logic often overlap. For example engineers have to think of creative ways to solve problems that would logically work. It's a myth that creativity and logic can't live a peaceful existence together. That's not exactly what he was talking about... Interestingly enough, I've been having very bad dream recall lately. My current dry spell is undoubtedly due to the break I've taken from LDing for finals week and then the 3 weeks I spent in Spain, but my recall is shit and what I do remember every morning leads me to believe I've been missing out on some awesome dreams lately. Hopefully I can get back into it quickly. I honestly think my drinking green tea before bed had something to do with it, placebo or not, because stopping that and stopping remembering my dreams came one right after the other.

[Robo]

This morning I had a nightmare that there is a demon is who suppressing our consciousnesses and trying to invade the dream world. Coincidence? I had a dream like that not too long ago, it was fuzzy, but I saw a giant demon feeding off dream energy. Just thought I would put that out there.

[ragincajun2288]

So, uh, just wondering, but what conditions of society do you propose would positively influence the dreaming environment, ragincajun? Less emphasis on the de-individualizing and suppression of creativity corporations and government pursue. More research on dreams and lucid dreaming published for public viewing. More research into dreaming period, we're still unsure the exact reason we dream or what they mean, if anything. I had a dream like that not too long ago, it was fuzzy, but I saw a giant demon feeding off dream energy. I've come to the conclusion, despite the dubious looks of skeptics, that there is some kind of entity that is attempting to suppress the consciousness of people on earth. Dreaming, especially lucid dreaming, let's you explore you consciousness and have moments of clarity about reality. Perhaps this entity is the biblical Satan, I don't claim to know.

[shiraniaori]

It could be talking about how humans are being conditioned for logic rather then creativity and the dreamers or the creative ones are finding it hard to survive without becoming rooted in logic and losing there dreaming ability to dead end jobs and credit cards. That would indeed make sense. But I don't think,as aothers have said, that logic trumps creativity or that they can't coexist, it seems to me that people are being trained to think logically INSTEAD of creatively. Not logic in mathematics terms or anything, but rather the finite reality and structured and organizational consequences people seem to believe. If you haven't noticed, there are hundreds of people here on DV that have asked "can I do this in my dream, can I do that in my dream, how do I ______ in my dream, I want a dream control guide," etc etc. People are being trained to think in logical structure, when reality is much more complex than a simple action-reaction, and thinking outside the box is what makes a dreamer a dreamer IMO. People are thinking "If lucid dreaming is common, then people must know the limits to it." A simple scientific question, only they're making a prediction with no hypothesis. Why is there limits at all? People are asking dreamers what is possible in dreams, instead of creating original ideas and seeing if it's possible in dreams. Although, with the dialogue in that scene, it seemed more like a simple "nobody teaches it, so people are forgetting about it" message, it could mean more that the groups of people, the shamans and indigenous tribes and the teachings of dream yoga based on exploration instead of structured hierarchical achievement that is more common now. Also, Waking Life was made in 2001, so if the movie commented on a lack of dreaming ability, it would have been noted 9+ years ago (not that dreaming ability hasn't possibly, but ppl in this thread seem to be talking about more recently). Also, Waking Life is an awesome movie.

[CQDanger]

I've been having trouble too. Haven't LD'd in a while and while I'm remembering at least one dream a night they are all mostly dull and boring or stupid in a boring way. Such as having an acquaintance I don't like that much climbing into my bedroom window barefoot demanding lotion. Odd yes. Interesting? Not really.

[sackboy3]

im having trouble, I only lucid about once every 2 weeks, and i cant fly.

[ragincajun2288]

This morning I had a nightmare that there is a demon is who suppressing our consciousnesses and trying to invade the dream world. Coincidence?

[sackboy3]

wait, if 1 person is having trouble, then why are we, it seems like we are connected somehow. I was just thinking what if there is one point in our life that all dreamers will be called and we would have to, say fight this dark age, and bring back dreaming to the world.

[thomulf]

mabe you should calm down a little. remember, dreams reflect your waking life, so if you are having a period where your life seems boring and repetitive, your dreams will certainly not be unbelievable. I think you get nightmares if you think about scary things or if you get indigestion.

[sackboy3]

ok

[ragincajun2288]

I think you get nightmares if you think about scary things or if you get indigestion. lol on another note, sackboy your actually right, the dark age is now. Nobody teaches dreaming any more and people are sleeping through their dream life and their waking life! It's up to us to push them into a higher consciousness. And yes, I believe we're all definitely connected.

[kevojy]

I think maybe you're all in a slump because you're getting yourself worked up over it. Your dreams reflect your state of mind, if you expect that your in a dark age and that your dreams will suck well then your dreams are probably going to suck! I disagree with us being in a "dark age" of dreaming. More and more people everyday learn about lucid dreaming and take an interest in it. And there are some that have no interest in it, everybody has their own beliefs and ideas towards things like dreaming, lucid dreaming is not for everybody and it should be up to no one to force it on others.

[stayinglucid]

we know your dream relates to when you last slept, thats the believed purpose for dreaming, i do not mind you trying to help but you are a little ill informed, they say it they feel a dark age cuz there dreams appear different or weaker than normal.. its not liek we expect our dreams to "suck". i disliek reality and love to substitute it for my own in dreams everynight. idk if you have but iv been lucid for years and latly things have been different.

[kevojy]

we know your dream relates to when you last slept, thats the believed purpose for dreaming, i do not mind you trying to help but you are a little ill informed, they say it they feel a dark age cuz there dreams appear different or weaker than normal.. its not liek we expect our dreams to "suck". i disliek reality and love to substitute it for my own in dreams everynight. idk if you have but iv been lucid for years and latly things have been different. I haven't been lucid for very long, but that doesn't mean I'm ill informed. The believed reason for us dreaming is to go over the days events and solidify them into permanent memory. It's why so often you will dream about something that happened during the day. Even just the theme of your dreams can be different depending on recent events. I'm not saying this is why people are having a hard time with their dreams recently I'm just saying it could be for some people. It's like worrying about lucid dreaming. We all know that getting stressed and worried about it will not make you have one, it will probably do the opposite. Maybe it's the same for dreams in general?

[kevojy]

Well there's not too many people that know about it now, I never said there was. I just said that more people are learning about it everyday. And I actually know like ten people, mostly all unrelated to each other (different circles of friends) that want to or that already do lucid dream. I agree though, the word does need to be spread about lucid dreaming. I just had my first and.. People are missing out XD How do you suggest we spread the word? That's the big problem, and people like Stephen LaBerge have been trying to do it for decades.

[ragincajun2288]

Use the media I guess. It's the only way we can. Problem is most people now of days would rather tune out and watch reality TV.