Thread: why it's not worth believing in claims of prophetic/precog dreams

It's easy to sit there and ridicule others when you don't share in their experiences. Many of you are lucid dreamers, how many of your friends have been skeptical of your claim? Have you ever been frustrated trying to tell someone you can lucid dream only having them tell you, you can't?

Until you actually experience it yourself [lucid dreaming], there was always uncertainty. Even if you share your lucid dreaming with your friends and family, there will always be skepticism. That is a healthy response for all the nonsense claims that are in this world. There is nothing worse then having these experiences: Lucid dreaming, precognitive dreaming, shared dreaming and then being barged with people telling you that you didn't. Or telling you that you can't or that you are crazy or delusional. Even lucid dreaming, which has been proven in laboratories and peer-reviewed since the early 1980's was met with fierce skepticism through the ages. It was considered paranormal and a delusion of the mind. Some skeptics still will argue this against your favor. I still meet them to this very day.

Let's put some rational context on this in relative terms to science. If Lucid Dreaming was only finally proven the 1980's, then did it not exist for humanity throughout the ages? Obviously not. Logically and rationally it has been around since the written record.

Even if you DO have Lucid Dreams, a lot of people do not, and probably will not when they die. Some people don't even dream at all. If dreaming or lucid dreaming is not real or true to them, does that automatically discredit your claims that you have? To them, you are probably just lying and making all of this up. Are you all lying about dreaming and lucid dreaming? Some people will argue that you are. Even all the significant dreams you write in journals can't be proven so they may as well be fabrications of your deluded mind. It's all subjective anecdotal claims and therefor easily dismissed and rejected by any of the arrogant logic skeptics have put in place to dismiss personal experience as having any value. By the skeptic decree, your experiences are not verifiable and valid, and you are just believing that you dreamed, not actually had dreamed. Therefor delusional.

Would you agree in this case? That you are lying about your dreams and lucid dreams? Try proving to me that you did without a reasonable doubt that you aren't just making it all up, and that it's total nonsense and rubbish. You are lying.

Fortunately, I don't feel that way. I too lucid dream regularly and it's awesome period. Sad for those who do not... but that is a them problem, not a me problem. My point is how arguments through ignorance and lack of experience frustrate those who have the experience. In the case of precognition, dreams that come true. It is very real. Like lucid dreaming, not everyone experiences it. It has been peer-reviewed and rejected many times over in our current history. Science has had evidence and that evidence simply has been brushed aside by the above arguments. Unlike Lucid Dreaming which now has a body of evidence to finally quell the skeptics, precognitive dreaming is still a harder problem to scientifically solve.

Just because science is still struggling with non-linear and non-locality within human consciousness, doesn't invalidate the experience for all the hundreds of thousands of people who have the experience. Just like lucid dreaming. Which could be considered a false claim experience. Perhaps the cloud clearing research will come in 2040, does that make precognitive dreaming only real past that date?

That said, you can be ignorant without the experience and say cruel and ignorant things about those that do; the same can be said about everything you have ever dreamed of... it's all unverifiable and therefor anecdotal and easily reduced to a false claim... or open your minds and see that like lucid dreaming precognitive dreaming has a long standing history in our culture.

Be less closed minded and ignorant and try to consider the reality of such claims. I do admit a lot of people don't understand it like I do, perhaps having had 23 years of experience with it that gives me an advantage over some of the more incoherent rants I have read. I've met researchers and scientists who have had precognition as well so hoping more convincing peer-reviewed evidence will emerge.

Just because precognitive dreaming hasn't yet found the definitive argument in peer-review although some will argue it has, that doesn't invalidate the reality of the phenomena one bit in my opinion. It will have it's time. Deja vu is just a taste, when you link it to a dream memory you are on your way... good luck Oneirologists!