Thread: My First PLANNED Astral Projection Exit Last Night

Hello, I see you're new here so I'm going to be nice. This is a forum for lucid dreaming. For all intents and purposes (in this forum) OBEs and astral projections aren't real. Not only are they pretty much the laughing stock of science, they nothing to do with lucid dreaming. However, we have a section for those of you who wan't to talk about such things. It's called "Beyond Dreaming" and I'm sure you'll find plenty of like-minded people over there to talk to. That's why I don't go there.

Hahaha. SystemsLock is blunt, but correct. The supernatural stuff goes in the Beyond Dreaming forum.

Having searched through a few LD-based forums over the past few months it seems to be an overall trend. You have half the population who believe that dreaming is a natural occurance that exists inside the brain, and the other half who are 'shared-dreaming' and finding ways to defend themselves from roving dream entities.

It's annoying, not only for the fact that I disagree with them, but that other people (especially those who may not yet be familiar with lucid dreaming) might automatically associate the two. Almost everything I read outside this forum at least mentions astral projections, OBEs, or dream sharing, without building much of a distinction (the wiki page included). Now it's seeping into this forum too. If people want to have a debate about it than fine, I'll argue, but other than that I really don't mind it. They just have to stay in their own section!

I joined this forum just so I can defend Fresco and set some things straight.

Science-shmience first of all. You can't trust a scientific system that denies the existence of subjective "imaginal" experience as a chance happening, a coincidence spawned out of matter coalescing into human form. If you're trusting science, then your hallowed LDs are just random neural firings clearing out the junk of the day and are essentially worthless.

Since you seem to be so ill informed, Astral Projection is part of a continuum of 'otherworld' experiences. IMO these otherworld experiences take place in the mind, perhaps in a collective consciousness, but nevertheless, happen in the mind. This continuum is essentially laid out with normal dreaming on one end, lucid dreaming in the middle and astral projection on the other end. The difference between each state is the degree of awareness and control you have. In dreams there is often little awareness and almost no control, just vague memories. Lucid Dreaming takes a step further to the point of having awareness and some control of the experience. Astral Projection then, is an experience similar to waking reality, only it's happening within a 'mental' environment.

I assure you that if you have a very active LD life, then you are almost certainly doing what people call Astral Projection more often than LD-ing. You are going to be limited in your experience if you maintain an attitude that denies the further expansion of your awareness and control of said awareness. In truth though, the distinction between these states aren't so cut and dry. The continuum of awareness is infinite, with the subtlest of differences between one state and another. It's almost silly to try to define these experiences. I would say, just have them and run with it.

I assume this is a forum for scientists in denial or their cognitive dissonance. You know, when you realize that everything you went to college to learn just doesn't fit in with your experience.

Anyone who doesn't feel that they can express and share their experiences here should come check out Astral Pulse.

We don't really care what your experience is, you can tell us all about it and we'll listen, help, counsel, whatever you need, without being unnecessarily critical or "blunt".

Good Day All.

^^^ Well said PR. Dont think I couldve stated it any better.

Now get ready for the inevitable flame war

I thought you were going to be nice, SystemsLock?

One more thing, I never bothered to read the forum rules sticky which say you're not allowed to discuss astral projection.

Its your forum so I have to respect the rules, therefore my apologies

lol at systemslock

Originally Posted by personalreality

I joined this forum just so I can defend Fresco and set some things straight.

Science-shmience first of all. You can't trust a scientific system that denies the existence of subjective "imaginal" experience as a chance happening, a coincidence spawned out of matter coalescing into human form. If you're trusting science, then your hallowed LDs are just random neural firings clearing out the junk of the day and are essentially worthless.

Since you seem to be so ill informed, Astral Projection is part of a continuum of 'otherworld' experiences. IMO these otherworld experiences take place in the mind, perhaps in a collective consciousness, but nevertheless, happen in the mind. This continuum is essentially laid out with normal dreaming on one end, lucid dreaming in the middle and astral projection on the other end. The difference between each state is the degree of awareness and control you have. In dreams there is often little awareness and almost no control, just vague memories. Lucid Dreaming takes a step further to the point of having awareness and some control of the experience. Astral Projection then, is an experience similar to waking reality, only it's happening within a 'mental' environment.

I assure you that if you have a very active LD life, then you are almost certainly doing what people call Astral Projection more often than LD-ing. You are going to be limited in your experience if you maintain an attitude that denies the further expansion of your awareness and control of said awareness. In truth though, the distinction between these states aren't so cut and dry. The continuum of awareness is infinite, with the subtlest of differences between one state and another. It's almost silly to try to define these experiences. I would say, just have them and run with it.

I assume this is a forum for scientists in denial or their cognitive dissonance. You know, when you realize that everything you went to college to learn just doesn't fit in with your experience.

Anyone who doesn't feel that they can express and share their experiences here should come check out Astral Pulse.

We don't really care what your experience is, you can tell us all about it and we'll listen, help, counsel, whatever you need, without being unnecessarily critical or "blunt".

Good Day All.

Well let me be the first to say welcome to the forums! Now that that's passed us...

I accept that neither I nor science knows everything and likely never will. I also respect your right to hold an opinion. Just don't pretend like it's backed up by fact, because it's not. As any preacher would tell you that's called faith. Again, it's okay for you to have faith I only ask that you keep it in it's place, that being the section we have devoted to you. That applies to myself included which is why I'm not going to march into the Beyond Dreaming section and get into fights with people. By posting here with long winded responses, you're asking for a fight. Let's just post in the most relevant section from now on, eh?