Thread: How good can you get??

I've been wondering, can you reach a point where you are so familiar with your dreams and becoming lucid that you can be lucid all the time in every dream?

Good question. But its kind of like asking what its like after you die. In theory, I'd say yes it is possible. Just like it is possible for a Buddhist to experience enlightenment. But not all do. In fact, few do.

When I read your thread topic, I thought you were going to ask another question. I thought you were going to ask what is the extent to which a person can master control of a LD. To that related question, I would offer a partial answer. On one hand, we are somewhat limited to manipulate our LD environment by what we've seen, heard etc... in reality or in our imaginations. We have 5 senses and therefore draw on experiences from those senses. I would consider it quite an accomplishment if one could experience something that goes well beyond our normal sensory experience. Obviously flying is an exception, but how about seeing with 360 degree panoramic vision. Certainly that can't be drawn from normal human experience. That's something that goes well beyond perfect control and manipulation of the dream world. Another example would be to simultaneously see 2 things at once, as if you were 2 people. To me these examples represent huge leaps in LD control that transcend typical experience. I'd love to hear if anyone has had success with something like this.

This was a non-lucid dream, though I'd like to try it again when I get better at lucidity. I had a dream where I was a whale lost in some underwater caverns. It was strange in that there were no real visuals, when I remember it I get vague impressions of grainy green and black spatial images, like my brain was creating sonar read-outs or something. It was far and away the strangest dream I've ever had, especially with the lack of my normal senses.

I've also had a few dreams where I'm not a specific character, but watching everything going on on a planet or in a city. I think these might be influenced by me playing strategy games, because there's usually a war, and I can control 1 side a little. But the scale is much larger than any game I've ever played, I think it might just me my brain extrapolating out to its limits from the experience of gaming.

When I get better at getting lucid I plan to experiment with some of these concepts of going outside my experience or beyond normal limits.

Originally Posted by Oerath

This was a non-lucid dream, though I'd like to try it again when I get better at lucidity. I had a dream where I was a whale lost in some underwater caverns. It was strange in that there were no real visuals, when I remember it I get vague impressions of grainy green and black spatial images, like my brain was creating sonar read-outs or something. It was far and away the strangest dream I've ever had, especially with the lack of my normal senses.

I've also had a few dreams where I'm not a specific character, but watching everything going on on a planet or in a city. I think these might be influenced by me playing strategy games, because there's usually a war, and I can control 1 side a little. But the scale is much larger than any game I've ever played, I think it might just me my brain extrapolating out to its limits from the experience of gaming.

When I get better at getting lucid I plan to experiment with some of these concepts of going outside my experience or beyond normal limits.

That was a reply to Mental, in case that wasn't obvious. I realized that after I posted... :S

There's a member on the Beyond Dreaming forum (forget his name at the moment) who says he can split his consciousness up in dreams and can even have DIFFERENT dreams with each consciousness. I suppose any task can be done in multiples (think about how looking at a website is essentially your brain processing tons of images at once) so it doesn't seem unreasonable to me that with tons of practice one could hone such a technique, especially in a dream where anything is possible.

PM someone like WakingNomad who's talked with him before and he could probably direct you to the appropriate thread.

Supposedly Stephen Laberge, after three years of MILD practice, was having four lucid dreams a night. In EWLD, Laberge talks about how after ten years, he pretty much can have a lucid dream any night he should try.

You can learn to be aware through your entire day and your entire night. You can train yourself to be aware even in your most restful, non-dreaming stages of sleep. It is up to you to decide how far you want to take things.

Astralglide,

That was an awesome reply, just what I was hoping to hear. That feat you described definately should be possible, and here's why. A simple, normal dream requires our brain to multi-task in quite a fantastic way. It (the brain) creates an experience for our "self". Simultaneously, our "self" experiences what the brain concocted with total ignorance of the fact the experience was created by the very same brain (unless of course you are lucid). This multi-tasking is evidence of our brain's amazing ability to do parallel processing. Therefore the ability you described is not that much of a stretch. It is still awe-inspiring just due to the imagination and talent required.

I've had a personal experience that also backs up my belief this is possible. Long ago, in college, I had a chemically induced OBE - my first and only. I was telling a story to 2 buddies and had the distinct sensation that my consciousness had split into 2 parts. The original part effortlessly told the story. The second part rose several feet above us and visually observed the 3 of us. That part consciously noted how interesting it was to observe "me" effortlessly tell a story while I simultaneously observed from several feet above!

Lakeypoo,

If you'd like to read about what Robot_Butler said, there are several books that discuss this type of constant reflection. One would be "Tibetan Yoga and Secret Doctrines" by Evans-Wentz.

I've never thought about it in the way you described before you're right the brain does do some heavy processing to prevent us from realizing the dream is created by itself--nice! I've also experience a bit of a dissociative effect "chemically," but nothing as intense as what you described! Gotta get a better source I guess!

I don't know about being so in tune with your dreams that you always recognize that you are dreaming, but it definitely is possible to lucid dream every night if you practice. I'm starting to reach a point where I can WILD on command. The past 3 nights I've had successful WILDs and I've only been lucid dreaming for about 8 months. I'm sure after a couple years of diligent practice you could get perfect at WILDing and Lucid Dream whenever you want.

Originally Posted by LikesToTrip

I don't know about being so in tune with your dreams that you always recognize that you are dreaming, but it definitely is possible to lucid dream every night if you practice. I'm starting to reach a point where I can WILD on command. The past 3 nights I've had successful WILDs and I've only been lucid dreaming for about 8 months. I'm sure after a couple years of diligent practice you could get perfect at WILDing and Lucid Dream whenever you want.

On command? Any special techniques you use that have contributed to you success other than the stuff outlined in the tutorial? WILDing completely eludes me at this point in time, I've had DILDs every time I LD.

No, I don't use any special techniques. I was first successful with WILDs and have stuck with them ever since. I didn't have DILDs until after I had a few WILDs under my belt. My technique is very similar to Mzzkc's:http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/mzzkcs...-guide-105484/
The main thing though is practice and dedication.

Ideas to stop lucid for 1 night?
If you're being sucked in (unwillingly) every single night for Events missions and all?
*I did not think of lucid before i sleep-

Yeah I suppose you could. But even great people have non lucid dreams.

But of course you could have lucid dreams every night.

Oerath,

That's a great story. Unfortunately I think we've hijacked Lakeypoo's thread. So I've started a new thread about this type of stuff. It can be found here:

http://www.dreamviews.com/f11/ld-exp...rience-111927/

Hahaha its ok it was an interesting read!