Rules and Regs of Lucid Dreams

**Dream Person** · 02-27-2011 02:33 AM

Gravity, why does our mind insist we have gravity in our dreams?
I know we can fly, make other things or people float too, but when the lucid starts we are in a world where gravity doesn't need to exist.. but it does exist - in a half-assed sort of way..

I mean I never see another person flying in my dreams, I know some of you have experienced it but why is everyone in my LDs abiding by this imaginary gravity... buildings, trees, tables, chairs..

Is it just me who has this or is it just a strange phenomenon?
I understand that after many generations in waking life, it's imprinted in our minds that gravity exists in waking life but why, when we become lucid.. and we realise that there is no way any waking life hinderances exist.. ..why doesn't everything float away, why does everybody walk in a dream??

If this question's already been asked and answered please let me know ot send me a link..

D.P.

**changed** · 02-27-2011 02:42 AM

I think you should check out The Matrix series. Especially the first one.

**StonedApe** · 02-27-2011 02:50 AM

It's easier to do things when there's gravity. I had a LD a few weeks ago where there was no gravity and I had to grab onto a railing to keep from floating away, kinda like in the beginning of waking life. I had another where gravity got reversed right after I jumped out of a plane and I was skydiving upwards.

It's mostly just that you assume that there will be and that that's how things should be intuitively. If you decide for there not to be it will go away.

**Binsk** · 02-27-2011 04:30 AM

Your dreams imitate the world around you. You have grown used to this world, it is what you are familiar with. So when you are in a dream, you subconsciously expect gravity to exist because that is something that is "natural" to you. However, when lucid, all you have to do is expect it not to exist, convince yourself it isn't natural, and it should disappear.

If you grew up in a world without gravity, I can assure you that your dreams would not (on average) start off with the existence of gravity.

**Loaf** · 02-27-2011 04:47 AM

Your dreamworld simulates the place you are in. If you dream you are on Earth, the dream will simulate Earth. And it goes without saying Earth has gravity. Unless you try, your dream won't just assume you want no gravity. Its like asking why do our dreams insist the sky is blue, or why do our dreams insist people walk on their feet and not on their hands. If you question gravity, you can probably make it fail and you'll have what you desire-- a zero gravity world.

I agree about gravity being easier to work with, I also tend to float away into stupid directions and have to hold onto something.

**Shinice** · 02-27-2011 04:57 AM

Yeh I agree that our mind, even in dreams..there's this kinda Order around.
You can't have everything going our way, if your mind and life is normal thats it.
The destination of my dreams, normally, takes place on an earthly like place.
I can do teleportation all that, but there's a limit.
I can't have me teleport all the way to the root of problems, it only brings me to the branches.
Which means i have to find my way in. Which is tiring. Thats the way life is infact.
Your mind can't be absurb such that everything goes your way doesn't it?
No?

**Dream Person** · 02-27-2011 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by bradysdreaming

I think you should check out The Matrix series. Especially the first one.

These are some really good visual refernces Brady, and yes I've seen the Matrix.. many times!
I see what you're saying but it's really about teaching Neo that everything he's lived all of his life is just an elaborate illusion, so it's a big slap in the face for him.. but my case is slightly different, I already know that everything in the dream can have no strict rules, which is why I couldn't understand why certain things would take charge when they've no business if you know what I mean..

Thanks for the links though it was a good watch, makes me want to see the movie again.. ha

Originally Posted by stonedape

It's easier to do things when there's gravity. I had a LD a few weeks ago where there was no gravity and I had to grab onto a railing to keep from floating away, kinda like in the beginning of waking life. I had another where gravity got reversed right after I jumped out of a plane and I was skydiving upwards.

It's mostly just that you assume that there will be and that that's how things should be intuitively. If you decide for there not to be it will go away.

That's never happened to me, sounds fun! Whenever I fly, though I have complete control.. so I'm assuming it'd be the same with no gravity for me, but when you say that it's just there because I expect it to be.. I mean why is gravity unwaivering when say I cant even read a book properly and turn off a lightswitch.. Can you see what I'm getting to guys?
Kinda hard to explain but I'm tryin!

Originally Posted by Loaf

Your dreamworld simulates the place you are in. If you dream you are on Earth, the dream will simulate Earth. And it goes without saying Earth has gravity. Unless you try, your dream won't just assume you want no gravity. Its like asking why do our dreams insist the sky is blue, or why do our dreams insist people walk on their feet and not on their hands. If you question gravity, you can probably make it fail and you'll have what you desire-- a zero gravity world.

I agree about gravity being easier to work with, I also tend to float away into stupid directions and have to hold onto something.

Originally Posted by -InsaneKid-

Your dreams imitate the world around you. You have grown used to this world, it is what you are familiar with. So when you are in a dream, you subconsciously expect gravity to exist because that is something that is "natural" to you. However, when lucid, all you have to do is expect it not to exist, convince yourself it isn't natural, and it should disappear.

If you grew up in a world without gravity, I can assure you that your dreams would not (on average) start off with the existence of gravity.

I can see where you're all coming from, but why do some things have more strict rules then others, I mean sure there are no 'real' strict rules, all of which can and do get bent or broken completely.. I'm talking about those things in my last reply, for instance, flying.. humans haven't been able to fly as long as gravity has existed in waking life.. and just as long as humans haven't been shooting fireballs from their hands!
Is this just one of those things where I think I have a point but nobody else thinks so, lol..

**StonedApe** · 02-27-2011 11:52 PM

The fact that those things don't work isn't really connected to gravity. I've heard from some people that you can read and I've turned a light on, but only once and it was really weird. Those assumptions are coming from a different part of your brain. Gravity comes from your spacial sense, your sense of how being in a room should feel. Since you've never been in a room without gravity it's all you really know so that's just what you assume will happen. Like I said, sometimes this doesn't happen like the dream I had about the railing. It's also possible to actively make this not happen, but I've never done it. But one day I will have zero gravity sex.

**Dream Person** · 02-27-2011 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by Shinice

Yeh I agree that our mind, even in dreams..there's this kinda Order around.
You can't have everything going our way, if your mind and life is normal thats it.
The destination of my dreams, normally, takes place on an earthly like place.
I can do teleportation all that, but there's a limit.
I can't have me teleport all the way to the root of problems, it only brings me to the branches.
Which means i have to find my way in. Which is tiring. Thats the way life is infact.
Your mind can't be absurb such that everything goes your way doesn't it?
No?

..but why? Why is there a limit, why can't I do whatever I want?
There's no restrictions at all to the human mind.. everything on this site proves it.. 360 degree vision? OBEs? These aren't just normal things.. this isn't possible in this dimension.. flying, maybe one day after a few million years of evolution.. x ray vision, maybe with enhanced nanotechnology optics.. other things, however.. not so.. most likely not in waking life.. and at least not in this dimension! .but when talking about things like telepathy, psychokinesis, mastering of materialisation .. it just shows that we're in an alternate dimension as we're able to travel outside of our minds..

**Dream Person** · 02-28-2011 12:03 AM

Stonedape, you think we just do because it's easier for our brains to comprehend?

**Kaiserlome** · 02-28-2011 12:09 AM

I can read for a little bit then the font starts changing all the time, and eventually it turns into squiggles and is illegible.

**StonedApe** · 02-28-2011 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by Dream Person

Stonedape, you think we just do because it's easier for our brains to comprehend?

Not exactly, it's more that we don't do the opposite because that would take a conscious effort on our part.

Originally Posted by Kaiserlome

I can read for a little bit then the font starts changing all the time, and eventually it turns into squiggles and is illegible.

This has happened to me but always in non-lucids. I've had some pretty crazy dreams where I start dream journalling and the words turn into designs that then turn into pictures, but I think it's only made me lucid once or twice.

**Shinice** · 02-28-2011 02:42 AM

Well i don't know. Its true u can do whatever u want in that mind space. But..its just this sense i have that my dreams felt so real and solid and that..it doesn't feel right, to have everything and anything under yr control. To do that it wld defy all humanly thinking and rights i have. And thats the fact that i'm still human.

**Oerath** · 02-28-2011 03:04 AM

I think it mostly has to do with what your subconscious is used to. In reality we never deal with a world without gravity, so your subconscious defaults to a world with gravity unless you actively try to change it. If you had been doing a lot of astronaut training for zero-G or playing video games with zero-G your brain might end up defaulting to that, but otherwise we have to choose to do so. Also, something like that can be difficult to wrap our minds around in general. In my most recent LD I decided I wanted to walk on the ceilings. I was able to get myself to float upside down and almost touch the ceiling with my feet, but ultimately it was too much of a change from what I was used to and I just couldn't manage. I'm sure with practice that can change, but in general the norms of life that our brain has adapted to seem to constrain our limits. Though I tend to think of them less as restrictions or rules, and more as default settings, that just need to be changed...

**Loaf** · 02-28-2011 03:31 AM

Think of your dreamworld like a blank canvas. There is nothing stopping you from painting a beautiful picture, but your vision is not going to be there by default.

**Shinice** · 02-28-2011 11:47 AM

But beware..
Your dream is how your thinking is like and a reflection of your life, it often give false hopes and only make real life look less appealing.

**Dream Person** · 02-28-2011 11:02 PM

You all raise valid points..thanks for taking your time to read through!

D.P.

**Kaiserlome** · 02-28-2011 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by stonedape

This has happened to me but always in non-lucids. I've had some pretty crazy dreams where I start dream journalling and the words turn into designs that then turn into pictures, but I think it's only made me lucid once or twice.

It happened in my first lucid that didn't last only 20 seconds