Thread: Lucid straight away

Originally Posted by Origami

It's taken me almost 6 months to have one lucid, and you guys have had plenty in less time.

Annoying is what it is. I need to try harder.

Also

HFKSAHGKASHGKSAHGTKHSARG

I've never had a lucid dream and I've been trying for years(off and on of course) consider yourself lucky.

What I had was barely even one. I count it as 1 on here to give me a morale boost. I'm pretty much on track to match you in a few years.

Plus I don't know how hard you have tried or how much you knew about this stuff. 478 posts in a year doesn't indicate that much interest if I'm honest. But that's what I think anyway.

Originally Posted by Origami

What I had was barely even one. I count it as 1 on here to give me a morale boost. I'm pretty much on track to match you in a few years.

Plus I don't know how hard you have tried or how much you knew about this stuff. 478 posts in a year doesn't indicate that much interest if I'm honest. But that's what I think anyway.

....and you're right. I'm slowly getting back into it. One thing that kept be away was SP's I hate those things.

It is a good thing to get back into it. Hell, I even feel a little better knowing that other people I know don't know about this stuff...know.
It's something well worth doing, and to stop trying would be a terrible waste of what could be a fantastic ability. But after a long time of nothing, it does bed the question "is it really worth all the effort".
Even if I got the smallest hint of an LD in the next week or so, I would keep on it. But right now, I'm running out of track.

But your not relying on them. I was just saying they can help you get out of a dry spell and then once you get a couple lucids it usually easier to get some naturally. The pills are just lucid aids. You can take them for as long as you'd like. Plus, they're great for your memory because its used to help people with Alzheimer disease.

Originally Posted by Origami

I wasn't clear I don't think, people said that to me before.

I have been trying for 6 months already, and have done all the different methods and techniques. That doesn't mean I tried them all at once for 6 months though. Most I ever did at once was ADA, DJ, WBTB and MILD.

Have you tried sleeping on a concrete floor? I slelpt on a concrete floor for 2 months (out of necessity) and had the craziest lucids from waking up like 8 times during the night. Like every night was lucid. Maybe a bed of needles or something for you, though, since it's so hard for you.

@NrElAx But you would still need them to have a good enough memory to have lucids. Like taking medicine- if you stop taking it, the ill effects return?

@Sassafrax.............. you know what? I think I'll try sleeping on my floor tonight. It is carpet, but it's still hard though. What else can I do?

Originally Posted by Origami

Sassafrax.............. you know what? I think I'll try sleeping on my floor tonight. It is carpet, but it's still hard though. What else can I do?

Hope it works, friend. When was your last lucid, anyway? And how vivid was it?

3 weeks ago, 2.5/10 vividness. I was in my room and I suddenly went "This is a dream". I did three reality checks, which failed of course. I then just lost it after a second. Dream faded for no reason, I woke up and was underwhelmed.

Dang, that sure is a little lucid dream. I kinda see your frustration. For a several months i was unable to go fully lucid, until i was sleeping on that concrete floor. After having that many lucids for that long period of time, i'm completely able to tell dream from reality and i have lucids almost every night now. I don't know if it's the same as if you had an alarm set to go off at certain times during the night, because i've done that before and it didn't work for me.

Origami...let me put this in perspective for you. Let's pretend that your not trying to lucid dream for a moment, but your trying to learn to ride a bike. Now, you have a really strong desire to ride a bike, so you jump right on it. What happens? You fall down. You get really angry, because you see all these other kids riding their bikes, and you really want to ride yours. You think its the coolest thing in the world. You keep trying and trying, and then you tell yourself- I have to ride this bike. You get really frustrated when you cant. Then you say- This is SO HARD, how can these other kids do it SO EASILY. You cry to yourself a little, all you wanted was to ride a bike, and you couldn't, whats wrong with you?....nothing is. Then a thought sparks in your head...you start researching on how to ride a bike. You learn all of these techniques, starting off from a curb(SOFC), jumping off from a building onto the bike(JOFBOB), riding a bike in pool(RBIP). You read several variations on these...and you forget what your doing in the first place- learning to ride a bike, and your focusing just on doing the techniques. Do you think Stephen Laberge uses the technique he told people to LD? Do you think Carlos Casteneda did at the time of him writing the book, talking about finding your hands...no, it is the entry-to get you into it, so that you develop your own technique. How do you start riding a bike? Do you get on it, put the foot on, then pedal, or do you put your foot on, then jump and ride at the same time? Or some other variation? And once you get really good, can you ride with one leg, one hand, no hands? How long did it take you to learn to do this? AT first? Then later?

This is just like learning to LD, the first technique you use is just to learn how to develop your own technique to ride the bike(LD). The terminology doesn't matter, sleep cycles(rate at which you pedal) doesn't matter, you have to have the desire, the determination, the will, and carry it through. You don't need to know the physics of whats going on to be able to LD, you just have to do it. Then you can use all that energy, and enthusiasm you have to focus your efforts on conscious dreaming, rather than the techniques. The techniques are a means to an end. After a while, the technique will become natural, easy, like breathing. I recommend Jeff777 free-fall tutorial. He doesn't emphasize a technique, as much as he explains whats going on, and lets you develop your own after you understand whats going on. And you can induce an LD without sleeping(done it). Focus on Being aware that you are dreaming while you are dreaming, and be happy with completing the nightly practice, and ecstatic when you actually have an LD. Also, you should go outside, and realize that life is a dream. right now, you are reading a dream screen, with dream letters on it, and a dream glass, and dream light. Maybe your listening to dream music as well, as I am. This is all a dream, face it, its a dream, and you know that it is a dream. Everything that you remember is a dream, and you know now it is a dream. Everything around you is a dream, outside, dream trees, a dream bed in your dream house, that your dream body is around. Do you get it yet? Its not the question that matters, its the knowing that this is a dream that comes after the question. When you do a reality check, realize, whatever is around you, like a refrigerator, is actually a dream refrigerator. Im typing on a dream laptop right now. Everything is just so dreamy.

This is a dream, and you know its a dream, face it. And in a dream when you sleep, its even easier to know its a dream. Pretty simple, right? Now go ride the bike.

Well for me, I still got lucids after I stopped taking it. It just helped my confidence and confidence is what helps people get lucids a lot of times. It just helped me get the feel of the dream world and that helped me differentiate the difference between the real world and the dream world.

Originally Posted by NrElAx

Remember that if your attempting to WILD and you have the urge to itch, your allowed to move and itch. You have to do whatever it takes to get comfortable. And when you have the urge to itch, you dont want to be laying there thinking about itching yourself, because that will keep you awake to much. So do whatever you need to do to be comfortable and dont think about it to much. And you dont have to lay in one spot the whole time. You can role to different positions like in kingyoshis tutorial. The point is to be comfortable.

You know what happens to me when i attempt this? i get itches all over constantly, so i scratch, try to sleep, scratch, try to sleep etc. You know what this resulted in? Crazy half-awake, half-asleep dreams. haha.

That's seems like a good sign if your getting half asleep half awake dreams. It could mean your getting closer. When you say half asleep, are you seeing things or just hearing stuff. Or both?

Originally Posted by NrElAx

That's seems like a good sign if your getting half asleep half awake dreams. It could mean your getting closer. When you say half asleep, are you seeing things or just hearing stuff. Or both?

Sometimes seeing, sometimes hearing, sometimes both. But i have no problem going lucid, i'm lucid just about every night.

Originally Posted by Moto

Origami...let me put this in perspective for you. Let's pretend that your not trying to lucid dream for a moment, but your trying to learn to ride a bike. Now, you have a really strong desire to ride a bike, so you jump right on it. What happens? You fall down. You get really angry, because you see all these other kids riding their bikes, and you really want to ride yours. You think its the coolest thing in the world. You keep trying and trying, and then you tell yourself- I have to ride this bike. You get really frustrated when you cant. Then you say- This is SO HARD, how can these other kids do it SO EASILY. You cry to yourself a little, all you wanted was to ride a bike, and you couldn't, whats wrong with you?....nothing is. Then a thought sparks in your head...you start researching on how to ride a bike. You learn all of these techniques, starting off from a curb(SOFC), jumping off from a building onto the bike(JOFBOB), riding a bike in pool(RBIP). You read several variations on these...and you forget what your doing in the first place- learning to ride a bike, and your focusing just on doing the techniques. Do you think Stephen Laberge uses the technique he told people to LD? Do you think Carlos Casteneda did at the time of him writing the book, talking about finding your hands...no, it is the entry-to get you into it, so that you develop your own technique. How do you start riding a bike? Do you get on it, put the foot on, then pedal, or do you put your foot on, then jump and ride at the same time? Or some other variation? And once you get really good, can you ride with one leg, one hand, no hands? How long did it take you to learn to do this? AT first? Then later?

This is just like learning to LD, the first technique you use is just to learn how to develop your own technique to ride the bike(LD). The terminology doesn't matter, sleep cycles(rate at which you pedal) doesn't matter, you have to have the desire, the determination, the will, and carry it through. You don't need to know the physics of whats going on to be able to LD, you just have to do it. Then you can use all that energy, and enthusiasm you have to focus your efforts on conscious dreaming, rather than the techniques. The techniques are a means to an end. After a while, the technique will become natural, easy, like breathing. I recommend Jeff777 free-fall tutorial. He doesn't emphasize a technique, as much as he explains whats going on, and lets you develop your own after you understand whats going on. And you can induce an LD without sleeping(done it). Focus on Being aware that you are dreaming while you are dreaming, and be happy with completing the nightly practice, and ecstatic when you actually have an LD. Also, you should go outside, and realize that life is a dream. right now, you are reading a dream screen, with dream letters on it, and a dream glass, and dream light. Maybe your listening to dream music as well, as I am. This is all a dream, face it, its a dream, and you know that it is a dream. Everything that you remember is a dream, and you know now it is a dream. Everything around you is a dream, outside, dream trees, a dream bed in your dream house, that your dream body is around. Do you get it yet? Its not the question that matters, its the knowing that this is a dream that comes after the question. When you do a reality check, realize, whatever is around you, like a refrigerator, is actually a dream refrigerator. Im typing on a dream laptop right now. Everything is just so dreamy.

This is a dream, and you know its a dream, face it. And in a dream when you sleep, its even easier to know its a dream. Pretty simple, right? Now go ride the bike.

this is one way to look at it, damn if you put it this way i still have the training wheels on.

i would also say dont expect it to happen, simply think of how good it would be if it did.

if you have to think to yourself why go to all the effort actually think "well wat effort is really involved" thinking, yes a DJ is the most physical but mentally you just need to keep the thought of dreams in your head even when your awake and hopefully those thought happen in a dream and if they do!

i keep an optimistic look on this because i would hands down say i have one of the worst dream recall on here honestly it is terrible. but ive started getting better and even now i dont get as frustrated when i cant remember my dreams and that alone helps.
do you have any stress oragami? alot of your post seem a bit negative (which i fully understand) but is this specific to dreaming or do you just have a busy lifestyle that would put a dent in the dreaming?

Well right now I'm starting school again for my final year before college, so I'm as stressed as much as you think that would entail. For me, I don't think it's that much. I'm mostly negative because I have had this bike for a while now, and have barely made it move 2 feet with me on it. It makes me doubt that this bike will even go, and I'm starting to think if I want this bike or not. Is it worth the effort?

Originally Posted by Origami

Well right now I'm starting school again for my final year before college, so I'm as stressed as much as you think that would entail. For me, I don't think it's that much. I'm mostly negative because I have had this bike for a while now, and have barely made it move 2 feet with me on it. It makes me doubt that this bike will even go, and I'm starting to think if I want this bike or not. Is it worth the effort?

Buy a new bike.

Originally Posted by Origami

Well right now I'm starting school again for my final year before college, so I'm as stressed as much as you think that would entail. For me, I don't think it's that much. I'm mostly negative because I have had this bike for a while now, and have barely made it move 2 feet with me on it. It makes me doubt that this bike will even go, and I'm starting to think if I want this bike or not. Is it worth the effort?

Simple: Don't go to college, no stress, more lucids.

Works for me.

Srsly.

Don't go to college,

So I can have lucid dreams.

lol wut

Originally Posted by Origami

Srsly.

Don't go to college,

So I can have lucid dreams.

lol wut

lol why not? Just gonna get yourself in debt for... what are you gonna go to college for?

To get some qualifications and have better careers chances other than going to one job and being stuck with only the experience I get from that.
I'm aiming to go and do a business course. That's going to serve me better than some cashier job in a local supermarket.