Thread: Can you train some abillity in your Luci Dream?

Yes.
Stephen LaBerge explains in EWOLD that LD is a powerful tool from training abilities and he mentions sports. Of course LD cannot replace the real training, but it can be great for enhancing some aspects of your preparation, much better thinking / imagining / daydreaming about it.

If you legitimately challenge yourself, I would say that you probably could. I could definitely see athletes using lucid dreaming to give themselves more practice time in a day without the soreness.

So I really could play my guitar 24/7 and still sleep?

Originally Posted by Woodstock

So I really could play my guitar 24/7 and still sleep?

Yep you can use it for studying aswell. If you don't want to waste your day studying do it in your sleep

Originally Posted by Metallicuh

Yep you can use it for studying aswell. If you don't want to waste your day studying do it in your sleep

I find this interesting; however, I think you would only be able to study things you already know. For example, if you pulled out your history notes, they might not be accurate if you don't already know them to an extent.

Originally Posted by Woodstock

So I really could play my guitar 24/7 and still sleep?

I've been trying to play my bass in a lucid dream, haven't been able to stabilise an LD enough though

Um, how do you study in your dreams? It should be pretty easy to train other abilities, but doesn't studying involve a load of concentration and memory.. to be able to read and remember your notes in the dream, etc?

Studying something you barely know might not run over so well in your dream, so you should have some understanding about it. Things with dates and facts like history may be a little harder to study than say math. If you need to study a formula for math or science and you have it memorized it can be easy to study. Rereading your notes could be a little difficult. Say you're studying the pythagorean theroem and you have the formula memorized. From there you can just find some dream math book and start solving problems. Sorry if I didn't explain it well enough...

This is an interesting concept to think about.

If you were to play a guitar in your dream I wonder if the notes would play perfectly or if they would falter if you made a mistake. It depends on your base knowledge of the sounds of all the notes on a guitar I think.

Originally Posted by MarineRecon

If you were to play a guitar in your dream I wonder if the notes would play perfectly or if they would falter if you made a mistake. It depends on your base knowledge of the sounds of all the notes on a guitar I think.

I think it would also depend on how diligently focus on the notes you are playing and where your fingers fall on the guitar. If you just looked away and tried to play something, you'd probably play it right because you were expecting your fingers to hit the right notes. I think if you wanted to practice a lick and you knew the notes, you could just practice the motions like you would in real life. Hopefully when you woke up, you would have gotten good practice moving your fingers to the right notes in time.

Being a drummer, I think the same thing could work for playing on a drum or drum pad. As I am very familiar with the feel of both my drums and my practice pad, I'm pretty sure that I could get good practice in my dreams for most things regarding drumming. The only thing I could think of that wouldn't transfer over would be my "chops," or my wrist muscles to play faster and longer.

I bet you could practice a foreign language in a lucid dream too!

The problem with practicing in a Lucid Dream is that the dream isn't based upon the laws of physics. For instance, someone might practice martial arts in their dream and think they're learning something from it, but in reality, it's just a false sense of learning. How many times have you tried to jump in your dream, and noticed that you tend to float just a little longer than normal? The way the environment and characters in the dream reacts is based entirely on your PERCEPTION of them, and not necessarily how the laws of physics dictate that they should behave.

That's not to say that some things can't be trained, but I think for many things, you'd have a hard time doing. To use another example, like the one mentioned in the first post, playing Pool. If you hit the ball in your dream, it could very well go exactly where you want it to go every time simply because you want it to, irregardless of whether or not that same shot would've worked in reality. The same with playing Goalie. Someone might kick the ball, and it could be traveling slower than in reality, even though you think it's going full speed.

It reminds me of this dream I had a long time ago. There was this person who was able to throw these razor sharp discs at me. I had a sword in hand, and he'd throw 3 or 4 at a time, and I'd not only dodge, but deflect every single one. In reality, that would never happen. I'm not quite that good lol.

I don't want to discourage anyone from trying, but if you do, I'd keep those things in mind, and remember that the way something is acting in a dream, isn't necessarily going to reflect how well it acts in real life.

That's why you must have a solid knowledge of the ability you're trying to train.. so that you can perfect motions you already know. (I take it, you know how to practice swordfighting and tried to practice it in a dream?) I still think training any kind of ability that involves physical movement must be quite a lot easier than solving problems or reading? Probably depends on the logical thinking of the dreamer or something?

Sorry about the chaotic post, can't order my thoughts right now..

That's one of my thoughts about lucid dreaming potential and my conclusion is yes... It's kinda obvious that you need to know what you want to practice very well, like the guitar example... or things won't be that accurate on the dream... and I don't think sports are something you can practice 'cause you can't get tired... you don't need to breath, etc etc... but motor skills like practicing something you already know with a musical instrument or studying something just to review...

Originally Posted by DinoSawr

I think it would also depend on how diligently focus on the notes you are playing and where your fingers fall on the guitar. If you just looked away and tried to play something, you'd probably play it right because you were expecting your fingers to hit the right notes. I think if you wanted to practice a lick and you knew the notes, you could just practice the motions like you would in real life. Hopefully when you woke up, you would have gotten good practice moving your fingers to the right notes in time.

Being a drummer, I think the same thing could work for playing on a drum or drum pad. As I am very familiar with the feel of both my drums and my practice pad, I'm pretty sure that I could get good practice in my dreams for most things regarding drumming. The only thing I could think of that wouldn't transfer over would be my "chops," or my wrist muscles to play faster and longer.

You make a good point there. I wonder for example, If somebody know how to play the drums, than maybe they could use muscle memory to strengthen their memory, so in real life they could relate to their dream and their accuracy will be greater.

Sorry if that didn't make any sense. I couldn't get my thoughts to words very well on this idea.

yes, you can practice real life skills in your dreams.

Think about this. If you are practicing shooting hoops, and before you shoot you imagine yourself making the shot over and over again, it makes it more likely you will make the shot in real life. And if you think about missing the shot, it makes it more likely you will miss.

The more you imagine yourself doing something, the more likely you will do it. Simply imagining doing something will make it more likely you will do it. And what more vivid way to imagine something other than dreaming?

Yes, You can. It may not work for everything but you can really Improve some skills!

For example, I really enjoy acting. In my lucid dream I can visit a stage with and audience and practice acting in the dream. It also helps me overcome stage fright.

Originally Posted by wandering

That's why you must have a solid knowledge of the ability you're trying to train.. so that you can perfect motions you already know. (I take it, you know how to practice swordfighting and tried to practice it in a dream?) I still think training any kind of ability that involves physical movement must be quite a lot easier than solving problems or reading? Probably depends on the logical thinking of the dreamer or something?

Sorry about the chaotic post, can't order my thoughts right now..

Nope, never done a sword fight in my life lol. But in my dream, I was nearly flawless at deflecting these things moving at incredible speeds and different trajectories. Certain things can be trained, such as what Mancon said with Acting. Psychological training could be done. Things like Heights, Stage Fright, and other fears would be easy to train. But I think certain things based upon physics would be much harder and subject more to your will than anything.

Will and some knowledge of the ability your're training. At least from what I've read in Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming

I think the biggest factor training something in a dream could give is confidence. As with the basketball example above, you are more likely to make a shot if you are confident. i dont have any dream recall as of now, but I do want to get back in to it again. Once I do, Im sure I will use my lucids sometimes to think up new combos to try at mma, or to go over moves/situational drills so I remember what to do irl. After that though...I wouldnt mind embellishing with some dbz type action

I can see it working well for something where you are trying to memorize a pattern, like music. If you already know a song, but are trying to get to the point where you can play it automatically, without thinking. I don't play an instrument, but I imagine it takes a lot of repetition to really learn a piece. The same thing would apply to a dance or a martial arts form, where you just need practice to learn the sequence and pattern.