Thread: Nobody ever thought about doing this to become a LD god ?

I've tried something similar but didn't work. I asked my DG to make me lucid everytime I'm dreaming, but since then he has not appeared again.

Originally Posted by Astaroth

I've tried something similar but didn't work. I asked my DG to make me lucid everytime I'm dreaming, but since then he has not appeared again.

If there was any justice in this world that would work every time.

BaronCreepyPhoto, I can remember seeing people talking of taking "lucid pills". Don't know if that was the same thing. I think it was. Might be worth a search.

Astaroth, you relying on an external being, your dream guide. I'm talking about influencing our inner system/subcounscious with the syringe/phial. A way to modify our subcounscious doing so. Robert Waggoner gave lots of examples of people healing themselves physically and mentally thanks to Lucid Dreams. In a way, what I say is healing ourself from failure. If people could cure diceases and phobias with lucid dreaming, why couldnt we be able to make ourselves able to induce tons of lucid dreams with that same system of lucid dreaming ? It makes senses.

Bobblehat, when I read people here writting about LD pills I thought at the start that they were talking about what I'm saying here. Unfortunately each thread named "LD pills" or things like that were dealing about galantamine/choline, which dont interest me at all. I've tried supplements and they sux. I dont like to rely on anything external to achieve something I could achieve with some inner work.

What prevents us to have many lucid dreams - or even lucid dreams at will - is our subcouscious. Our beliefs. Our inner fears or doubts.
I see no reason why we couldnt be able to modify that thanks to lucid dreams.

The only pitfall would be the phrasing. We would have to chose carefully how we state our intent when injecting the serum. I've read quite some threads about how the subcounscious works and there are a lot of traps. Using a sentence in the present tense would be advised. Something like "from now and thanks to that serum I have lucid dreams everytime I am dreaming". This sentence should work. Present tense, use of the verb "to be" (which is a very powerful technique for the subcounscious mind), not too long of a sentence.

I'm working to have my next lucid dream coming soon. I will use that idea of the serum and that sentence I just gave above.

In theory there's no reason that shouldnt work.

Ofc I'll keep that thread updated and invite people who would become lucid before me to do the same

I'm fairly sure I've seen a similar idea of a "magic pill" that makes you lucid. But, like you say, be hard to find because of the supplements thing.

I thought about another way to multiply lucid dreams :

You become lucid. You state that you're gonna count up to 3 and when you turn back you will face your subcounscious.
You count 1, 2, 3, you turn and he's there

From now you talk to him, saying that from now he is your ally in the lucid dreaming quest. You say - I wouldnt say command - to him that from now everytime you have a dream you become lucid. Or you could say that everytime that you're dreaming then he (the subcounscious) would make you become lucid. Up to you to test one or the other.

Isn't it the same thing? Even if you take some kind of magic pill to make you lucid you're expecting it to work next time you enter a dream. For my DG, I expected him to make me lucid. You can take all the pills you want, but if in the end you don't fully believe it will work, or any part of your subconcious doesn't believe it, it won't work, just the same as it happened with my DG. You're projecting your desire to be lucid everytime into something material, which may be a DG, a pill, a syringe, or a falling building.

It's obviously worth the try and of course I may be wrong. I'll try to remember to take one of these next time.

I dont think this is the same thing, actually. Because You're not asking someone else to do something for you (DG), you're influencing your own mind.

If you can get rid of phobias with LD, why wouldn't you be able to get rid of your doubts and fear with that serum ? If you believe that LD have an action on the body and mind then you should be able to break all the uncounscious locks in your mind which prevents you from having as many LDs as you wish.

Best thing in any case is to TEST. Only practice can tell us if this theory is good or not.

i've thought about gaining lucidity each time you dream through influencing your subconscious or something like that before. i've only experienced awareness in my lucids, i don't know a lot about talking with your subconscious or anything..but there's only one way to find out.

If you think that this could work, why don't you do it right now while you're awake? Take a magic pill that you believe will give you a magnificent level of awareness such that you will be in a state of permanent lucidity for the rest of your life. If you truly believe it will do this then it should, yes? I don't quite see how performing this action in a dream will be any different from doing it while awake since the level of your belief is what influences the outcome.

I am however, skeptical that this will work because I believe there are limits to the placebo effect.

Actually I agree with anotherdreamer, if it's going to work then doing it outside of a dream would have the same effect as inside of a dream.

I don't think I have that strong of a belief system to make that work, but if it works for you then that's great.

The "dream character will appear in future dream and tell me it's a dream" idea has been around for years and years and I haven't seen a case of anyone getting it to work consistently.

actually I tried this experiment. Took a pipette that I filled with some fruit juice, stared at it saying myself that thanks to that "serum" I would be able to LD as much as I want. I just tried twice which is not a sample important enough but it failed.

I disagree with you : doing this in the waking state and during a LD is not the same at all. When performing this in the waking state you still fight against your subcounscious, you still dont have the key to unlock the door, you just MILD with all its difficulties everyone here is aware of.

When doing this in a LDing state you tap directly into your subcounscious mind, you directly have access to your inner abilities. Why did that woman could heal herself from mycosis when in a LD and not when in the waking life (ie Robert Wagoner's stories) ? Why could you heal from phobias when being in a LD and not in your waking life ? Because when awake you dont have access to your subcounscious as much as you want to have your desires fulfilled.

LD allow you to access your inner self and to operate major changes in yourself.

That's the reason why I do believe in that method.

Since I have opened this thread I have not been lucid so I couldnt tell more than that I believe in that idea. But be assured that I will keep you updated.

Last thing : that idea about making a DC come over and over is another thing, and it's a shame it doesnt seem to work because I liked the idea.

I heard about something similar a few days ago. It wasn't so "drastic" (so to speak), but basically the thing is that you tell yourself it'll be easier for you to become lucid the next time. I don't think you even need to talk to any DC in particular, maybe just shouting out loud the command towards the sky a couple of times would do. I haven't been able to try it yet, but it really is worth a go. You've got nothing to lose.

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Interesting. I wonder if stating an intent out loud would suffice. In theory it should since you are within your own mind. Again, we can only speculate but we would have to try to report any conclusion.

I think I read somewhere that stating generic intent such as "every time that I'm dreaming I am aware that I'm dreaming" is too complex for the subcounscious to take into account (even tho I will try). So, narrowing the formulae might be better. Something such as "every time that I (insert gesture or password) before going to sleep then during the dream I will become lucid". In a nutshell, not something too wide but something your subcounscious could register each time you'd say a password. Again, those are just ideas that I have since I'm thinking about it for quite some times. Best things is to try and see what happens (or not)

I don't know if you know Reecejones87 (a youtuber). I think it was him who said he shouted a command firmly towards the sky. I could be mistaken, though, I've watched a lot of videos and read many things and I may not remember well.

As for the phrase... I didn't know this narrowing thing, but it makes sense. You mean that saying, for example, "every time I look at my hands before going to sleep, I will become lucid in the dream" would be better than saying something more general?

I know Reece by youtube, yeah. A young lucid dreamer morphing into a modern new ager

Yes, your example would be better that a generic intent if I believe what some others said. The gesture or password should be really specific. I wouldnt do the hands things since I could be doing it while RCing in the waking life and wouldnt like my subcounscious to get confused with a gesture I would do too often.

I would rather use a password, like "everytime that before going to bed I say "abradacadabra" then during my sleep I will know that I'm dreaming and get lucidly aware". Something like that, very specific that I wouldnt do otherwise. If I was electing for a gesture, it would be something very specific as well such as...hmm.... snaping with my fingers 4 times in a row or something like that would really trigger my subcouscious since being so particular and therefore only linked to the LD.

The awareness comes from within, not from any outward source of inspiration. That's true whether it be a DG, a lucidity serum, a password, snapping-- all of these things are external actions that are destined (in my opinion) to fail you in the long run. That's because you're placing your faith in something material, even your own words, in order to perpetuate lucidity into an unknown future. You can state many things in dreams and have it be true at the time, but there's no basis to think what worked once will work again. I gather that you want a simple key to a lock that changes nightly, but there is no skeleton key, just the ear pressed against the knob and the soft tinkling of tumblers.

I only saw my Dream Guide once, therefore he couldnt make me lucid again, but I asked a DC last night if there´s a pill or something similar with that effect...and he told me I could find the last one on some mountain with monks in an abbey. Guess I have a big journey in front of me

Maybe he lied to me and I´ll find nothing, happend to me before. Dc´s can be a***oles sometimes

I like the innovative way you're thinking about this, BaronKriminel. That is, coming up with all these adjustments to make that could make the technique more effective. Certainly, I've thought and heard of people going to use this technique before and never really heard anyone mention that it miraculously worked for them; but if it is true that you can influence your subconscious in lucid dreams so as to make permanent (or greater-spanning than you could in your waking life, at least) changes to the way you function in reality - which I believe many people report to be true - why can't that work with the subject of your proficiency in lucid dreaming in particular?

Though I don't have the most vivid, lengthy or fulfilling lucid dreams just yet, I've tried at least once to effectively shout at my dreamspace and command my subconscious to make me lucid in future lucid dreams within a lucid dream. If it had a successful effect, it wasn't perfect for any amount of time. But maybe I just haven't tried enough times or tried in the right way. I don't remember how I shouted it, exactly. Also, I've tried on multiple occasions in a lucid dream to get my subconscious to talk to me - either in the form of a dream character or at least to reply as a disembodied voice, as Robert Waggoner reports - and I have yet to succeed even in that.

The closest I ever got is seeing, after having tried several times over to get my subconscious to talk to me in that same lucid dream, the door to my dream scene bedroom open and a package roll in that I thought would be somehow related to what I'd asked for, perhaps featuring a note from my subconscious or something - it didn't. It was just a packaged Transformers toy. I have no idea how my dream thought that could have helped me. Actually, I have trouble with getting my dream control commands executed in my lucid dreams in general. So maybe I just need to build up my dream control before I can try something like this?

Perhaps you should start off small and/or specific. Someone in a Dream Views forum I was on once mentioned that he/she had asked his/her subconscious to get rid of his/her anxiety disorder for the duration of one week in a lucid dream - and it did, just like that. If a trick like that works with healing the mind, why not with improving lucidity? Maybe, instead of just telling out dreams to keep making us lucid in general, we should instead tell them to make us lucid every night next week. If the request is successful, that'll give us plenty of lucid time in the near future to build our progress even further.

As for the special password, how about coming up with one not only to make you lucid in the future but also to increase the lucidity/vividness of your lucid dreams and to give you more dream control power automatically? A catch-all shortcut to truly become a lucid dreaming god! Sidenote: I was thinking about making my personal password for this, 'God complex.' The idea was inspired by your title for this post and I like it because it just sounds dark and edgy. On the other hand, that might not be the most effective password as you can still use it and hear people use it in regular life, outside the context of lucid dreaming, so it's not as specific as some other personal choices. How about 'Hail Morpheus' or 'Hail Somnus/Hypnos?' Or 'Crown LaBerge' or 'Crown Waggoner?' Or something like that. I guess I like deific/regal themes.

I'm not sure. You're not the first person I've seen whose tried this method in their own way. Unfortunately, I've yet to see any success stories. But the root concept of this idea is to program the subconscious mind to be a master lucid dreamer. The question is, how does someone know the proper way to program the subconscious while lucid dreaming? Maybe you need proficiency for this method to work, or maybe--like so many other tasks--you have to find the means that work for you. Like flying. Some people just will it, others use wings. Doesn't mean the task was impossible, just that they had to find a way that worked for them. Even then, they needed a certain level of skill for it to work.

Bottom line is, I have many more questions about this than I have answers to help. But there is a way to explore the root concept I mentioned. Try hypnosis. It's a proven method of communicating with the subconscious to impart helpful suggestions.

I dont know why this seems so impossible for people.

In a nutshell : we can MILD and then influence the mind while being counscious, we can auto suggest then influence the mind while being counscious. So the question is : why couldnt we influence our subcounscious WHILE BEING LUCID ? We would be in direct connexion with the subcounscious so why is it so hard to believe that could be possible ?

maybe if you 100% believe that taking that serum will do it for you. But that's not exactly realistic, you'll always have some lingering doubt, especially when you have dreams after that point that aren't lucid.

When talking to your dream or receiving a serum, you would have some influence over your subconscious, but just because you tell it something at one point in time doesn't mean that there aren't a plethora of other messages it receives daily. And has received for years. Your words would get lost in the mix. Your mind is thankfully far more complicated than that.

I'd be very surprised if you were able to achieve lucidity each and every night by way of such a method. It's not as much a matter of asking people, why wouldn't this work? The real question is, why should it?