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      Question DAE have little things in their lucid dreams which don't make any sense afterwards...

      ...but made complete sense at the time?

      Last night for instance, I had a false awakening. I became lucid after doing an RC.
      Afterwards when writing my dream down in my DJ, I realized that my room had two windows in my dream instead of just one. But it made perfect sense at the time. I didn't question it all.
      Then in another lucid dream, my door was in a complete different position in my room from usual. I didn't question that either.

      Does this happen to anyone else? Am I perhaps not getting 100% full lucidity?

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      There's different levels of lucids you can experience. The higher levels will obviously include more clarity, consciousness, and realism in the dream. So when you described your situation, I would say yes, you weren't 100% lucid. This isn't something to worry about though because as you practice more and become lucid more often you will reach higher levels of lucidity. If you haven already then you should read some dream control and stabililizing techniques.

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      ^^ Not so obviously, I think, Alex.

      Respectfully, lucidity really has nothing to do with clarity or realism in a dream. Even consciousness is alive and well in a non-lucid dream (it is the higher-level conscious state of waking-life self-awareness that defines a LD, and not consciousness itself).

      Yes, once lucid you can certainly make your dreams "more real," or improve clarity, but you can also be fully lucid in the dullest, least real of dreams -- just as you can be in extremely vivid dreams without being the least bit lucid. In other words, contrary to the popular assertions on these forums, lucidity by itself has nothing to do with the quality of your dreams... you can certainly improve that quality once lucid, but your dream will operate as presented until you make the improvements. That said:

      MemeViews: Yes, what you experienced was a state of lower-level, or perhaps incomplete lucidity. It was incomplete because what was missing was access to memory.

      Because you could not remember that your waking-life room only had one window, it would make perfect sense that two windows are the norm -- because in the dream two windows is the norm. In a dream, your entire world is never more than a few minutes old, so your dream bedroom had two windows since the dawn of your dreamworld's history; your dream might even include false memories about those two windows that confirm that they were always there.

      Those "historical facts" can linger after you become aware that you are dreaming, because the presence of your waking-life self-awareness in a dream (aka: lucidity) does not always include the presence of your waking-life access to memory. You might be lucid, but you still cannot access memory to question the reality of those two windows. In other words, you might be lucid, but you cannot remember that your room is supposed to have one window.

      This lack of access to memory is pretty common, I think, and can be overcome, as Alex said, with experience.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      This lack of access to memory is pretty common, I think, and can be overcome, as Alex said, with experience.
      Overcome just with time and more lucid experiences? Or is there anything I can trigger within the dream to gain more access to waking-life memory?

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      ^^ Overcome with more lucid experience.

      One simple thing you can do to help access your waking-life memory is to remember your sleeping body during your LD: take a moment to remember that your actual, physical body is right where you left it, asleep in your bed. This exercise helps lucidity on a couple of levels, first by reminding you that the dream body you currently occupy is not real, and neither is the dreamworld you are navigating, and also by offering a very simple and recent memory to reach out and grab, thus reconnecting you with your short-term memory.

      You could also take a moment to remember your dream goals, or maybe try to do a math equation...Basically, you're doing simple exercises that help you to remember to remember. The real trick is to have some sort of trigger to do any of these exercises in the first place; after all, if you are disconnected from memory, how are you going to remember to do any of these things in the first place? Here is where day work comes in: if you are able to build solid expectation of, say remembering your sleeping body, throughout the day, and then to set a positive intention of doing so at bedtime, you might be able to create a prospective memory that will find its way into your dream before or after you become lucid (either will do). Since it is essentially a technique for capitalizing on prospective memory (which is essentially remembering to remember, BTW), you might look into MILD for help in this department.
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      As Sageous already mentioned, memory is essentiall for lucid dreaming. And a thing I find interesting with memory, that I usually overlook myself, is that we actually dont have any memory in the way we might think we have. All memorys we have, is always created in the moment and get's activated by the connected triggers.

      The sense of intensity in the willingness to remember something, also seems to play a big role in our chance to trigger our memory when we need it. So the weaker the trigger are, the less is the chance of connecting to the memory obviously. Sometimes there is the willingness to remember something important, but with vague triggers to the actuall important target, might instead result in the memory as:"There was something important that I should remember, what could that be..?"

      So to the actual question: Things that makes sense in dreams but not when waking up. To say than somehing makes sense is a connection between thought and feeling of being right. When something feels right, there is stronger tendency to not question that sense of right suchness, compared with when something does not make sense. Since dreams tend to be more grounded in being in the moment of what ever situation there is. We sense our being and the situation as one. There is not much room for realizing the dreaming state of mind when it comes to details, if you already have accepted the situation as it is(this or that). If the feeling makes sense in your dreams, then the tought will much likely follow along, even if there happen to be some extra windows or whatever. Since thought with out it's dear companion Mr.Memory, is not much worth on it's own.
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