Quote Originally Posted by b1smark View Post
I understand this but what I meant is that I went further than being lucid in a dream because i was lucid before the dream existed. I saw it comming like a screen getting bigger and bigger.

And then I had 3 dreams below me and I could fall in one of the three and be a character of it

You can be lucid before a dream exists. When you go from being in your bed awake to lucid dreaming -never losing consciousness-, it's called a WILD (wake induced lucid dream) You can also induce a lucid from Sleep Paralysis or some other non-waking state. A DEILD is when you induce one right after you wake from another. The point is, you can be lucid before a dream is formed.

The place you were in, the one where you could see dreams forming, is sometimes called "the void" by some oneironauts. It's a state in which you are awake but your body is asleep, it's pure unformed potential. Either way, it's still a dream hallucination of some sort- you're not beyond anything.

Anyway, being "further than being lucid" doesn't make sense to me. The definition of lucid, as far as I can tell, is that you are aware of your present situation (you are conscious that you are in fact dreaming or that you are not awake, e.g. you are in sleep paralysis, or in "the void", etc). Maybe your definition of "being lucid" is different than mine and that's why I'm not understanding you.