Thread: All Day Awareness Questions

^^ Unfortunately, Dthoughts, though I think your take on ADA is vastly better than King Yoshi's original tutorial, ADA does indeed demand that you pay attention to everything, period, using all your senses, all the time. Here is the definition of ADA from DV's Wiki:

ADA All-Day-Awareness

ADA stands for All-Day-Awareness, a technique to aid in inducing lucid dreams. ADA is all about developing a habit of paying attention to details of your surroundings and yourself (awareness) while awake, with the intention of being more aware in your dreams. You can focus on things like the objects in the room around you, your muscles as you walk down the street, people's faces, your own breathing, the sound of the wind, or the pressure you use to hit a key in your keyboard. Everything in your surroundings, including any sensation, can be used to practice ADA.

And here is a link to the original ADA tutorial.

Your version, Dthoughts, seems to represent a much better path to follow than ADA, since it seems like it will both nurture self-awareness and provide a potential for creating prospective memory. All in all, your version might substantially contribute to the development of the all-important lucid mindset, which is something ADA does not do at all.

So, DGHall, I highly recommend that, if you must do ADA, that you follow Dthoughts' plan and step away from the original ADA guidelines.

Finally, in full disclosure: If you are interested, a long time ago I started/got tricked into starting a thread, ADA: Right or Wrong for Lucidity, that you might want to check out before you fill your days with exhausting exercises that might do little more than give you a placebo-effect LD or two... just ignore the parts where I battled childishly with King Yoshi!

So for practicing self-awareness... Basically keeping my mind off of autopilot? Assessing where I am, what I am doing, and the reason I am doing it?

Originally Posted by DGHall

So for practicing self-awareness... Basically keeping my mind off of autopilot? Assessing where I am, what I am doing, and the reason I am doing it?

Yes. THAT. And i'd suggest in short paying attention how you feel in the moments and what events occur to make you feel that. And it's applicable on inner thought-life. You can also apply this to inner life. Namaste

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

Got tricked into ?

Yeah. I was posting on another thread when ADA came up. I mentioned my concerns about it, and one of the guys on the thread suggested I start a new thread that questioned ADA... I have a feeling that he knew full well how King Yoshi would react to my blasphemy, and he knew that I was unaware of King Yoshi at all, but he "forgot" to warn me; I felt a bit punked after a time. But at least the meat of the thread survived the practical joke.

Also:

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

Which brings me to my point of Buddhism. I never heared of any practice in Buddhism suggesting ADA as is practiced on this site. Which is not meant as an insult or an attack.
I just want to iterate here that I think there are plenty of practices suggested in Buddhism such as Yoga as in mind-body-soul yoga that I heared of having more similarities with what I'm saying. And suggests there is a merit to the practice to me. I don't think it's original intent was to practice ADA as in Kingyoshi's theory.

I think I was referring to mindfulness practice in general, and not any specific discipline. From what I've gleaned from Buddhism (and Hindu, and shamanism, and any other system with a mystical bent), awareness of one's surroundings, and one's presence in those surroundings, is fairly important. In retrospect, I guess ADA is the same as mindfulness, except that it leaves all the important bits out (like being aware of one's presence in reality, and the moment). I can't remember if I mentioned this on that thread at this point.

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Originally Posted by Sageous

I think I was referring to mindfulness practice in general, and not any specific discipline. From what I've gleaned from Buddhism (and Hindu, and shamanism, and any other system with a mystical bent), awareness of one's surroundings, and one's presence in those surroundings, is fairly important. In retrospect, I guess ADA is the same as mindfulness, except that it leaves all the important bits out (like being aware of one's presence in reality, and the moment). I can't remember if I mentioned this on that thread at this point.

No, I can't see it there either. But you said what I was thinking. I've done a mindfulness and it's exactly like ADA except the focus is put in the body and not in surroundings AFAIK.

I think it's a very useful place to start. I really think ADA has the reputation that it does as does mindfulness because it starts with having you focus on things that you normally don't focus on. And that makes one a little more conscious and automatically the self adjusts itself to the new awareness right? But this is not mentioned as the goal. It only starts with the premise of focusing and mindfulness purposefully advises against doing anything to 'adjust' the body. For some reason

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ Unfortunately, Dthoughts,

^^ First thing I read. U purposefully tried messing with me. I bet. lol


Also
Legendary thread really. I think it's only natural to run into a argument when two ideas clash
But upon skimming through, forgive me for bringing old stuff back up. In no way trying to start shit, but; Kingyoshi's initial assertion in that post as to why his theory works, struck me as flawed

Originally Posted by Kingyoshi

you are in a dream and you are aware of your surroundings in the dream, that IS self-awareness. Everything in your dream is yourSELF.

His premise that everything in the dream is self excludes the possibility that there even could be an "other" in dreams. And that's a game changer IMO. You are spot on I think with your counterarguments to that. I am learning.

Which brings me to my point of Buddhism. I never heared of any practice in Buddhism suggesting ADA as is practiced on this site. Which is not meant as an insult or an attack.
I just want to iterate here that I think there are plenty of practices suggested in Buddhism such as Yoga as in mind-body-soul yoga that I heared of having more similarities with what I'm saying. And suggests there is a merit to the practice to me. I don't think it's original intent was to practice ADA as in Kingyoshi's theory. Sorry to use ur name.

There needs to be another name to what I'm describing really. But I'm not vain enough right now to try and name the beast.

All in all. I am aware of Sageous' threads on the matter. Quite likely he is the main influence for even suggesting the differing to traditional ADA on DV. But ultimately I find his line of thinking is correct. And there's more to it than just ADA. The theory needs evolving.. lol

Originally Posted by Sageous

started/got tricked

Got tricked into ?

All right. I'm getting tired. Sorry for dissonant writing again my mind is getting so groggy

There's more to say but I don't have much time sorry. i might come back for a little addition

And i'm honored that you give me credit Sageous. Happy dreaming.

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

Got tricked into ?

Yeah. I was posting on another thread when ADA came up. I mentioned my concerns about it, and one of the guys on the thread suggested I start a new thread that questioned ADA... I have a feeling that he knew full well how King Yoshi would react to my blasphemy, and he knew that I was unaware of King Yoshi at all, but he "forgot" to warn me; I felt a bit punked after a time. But at least the meat of the thread survived the practical joke.

What I wanted to say is that scientists measured Gamma-brains in a few occasions that I know of,

1. Lucid dreamers.
2. Buddhist meditation masters.
3. Ayahuasca users.

Just saying

It's the very same part of the brain that is rumored to be the source of Self-awareness. I'll try to look up the science of this.

Lucid dream researchers at the Neurological Laboratory in Frankfurt, Germany, have discovered brainwave frequencies as high as 40 Hz occuring in lucid volunteers while they sleep.

Normal brain is 10-30hz.

Originally Posted by https://phys.org/news/2009-09-evidence-conscious-metacognition-nonhuman-animals.html

(PhysOrg.com) -- J. David Smith, Ph.D., a comparative psychologist at the University at Buffalo who has conducted extensive studies in animal cognition, says there is growing evidence that animals share functional parallels with human conscious metacognition -- that is, they may share humans' ability to reflect upon, monitor or regulate their states of mind.

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2009-09-eviden...imals.html#jCp

This animal research lead to

Studies of lucid dreamers show which centers of the brain become active when we become aware of ourselves in dreams.

Which areas of the brain help us to perceive our world in a self-reflective manner is difficult to measure. During wakefulness, we are always conscious of ourselves. In sleep, however, we are not. But there are people, known as lucid dreamers, who can become aware of dreaming during sleep. Studies employing magnetic resonance tomography (MRT) have now been able to demonstrate that a specific cortical network consisting of the right dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, the frontopolar regions and the precuneus is activated when this lucid consciousness is attained. All of these regions are associated with self-reflective functions.

All of these regions are associated with self-reflective functions.

.. I think this is very useful information to take in when you want to Ld


Rare animals such as dolphins and humans have the ability to be self-aware and lucid dream. Not all animals have this kind of structure in the brain I think. But using this ability of self-awareness in the brain and practicing it. Will eventually lead to LDs