Luminous Body

**Occipitalred** · 12-17-2024 12:46 AM

Hello everyone,

I was reading the astral projection training scene in the manga Berkserk. They had to visualize their luminous body in order to enter other dimensions. Evidently, I was relating to this in terms of lucid dreaming. Last night I became lucid while drifting down a river with sharks jumping out of the weeds and realizing I was dreaming, I started floating down the river for fun. My control was shaky but my awareness deepened and I remembered that I was planning to be in the dream not with the perspective that it's not real, but instead that it's a story. Like you know a novel is not real, but you're engrossed in it and you want to know what will happen. So I said the mantra "This is a story" a few times while scanning the vivid and pleasant outdoors scenery. I also remembered I wanted to go to my mental temple and before getting there, I wanted to stabilize my body by "visualizing my luminous body". I already had a sense of my body prior to that thought but as I focused on that, the scenery disappeared and I could feel that I was carrying someone above my shoulders. My next step was to go to my mental temple, without the burden mind you, but no visuals manifested. Instead I woke up. Weirdly enough, I felt like visualizing weakened my dream instead of strengthening it. It felt like what was in front of me was so much more real than what I could hope to visualize. At the same time, I was really close to awakening as this happened between two alarms...

Do you visualize a luminous body in your dreams? Has it helped you stabilize your dreams?

**shaelynothere** · 12-17-2024 01:04 AM

What is ‘visualizing your luminous body” mean to you?

**Lang** · 12-17-2024 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by Occipitalred

Hello everyone,

I was reading the astral projection training scene in the manga Berkserk. They had to visualize their luminous body in order to enter other dimensions. Evidently, I was relating to this in terms of lucid dreaming. Last night I became lucid while drifting down a river with sharks jumping out of the weeds and realizing I was dreaming, I started floating down the river for fun. My control was shaky but my awareness deepened and I remembered that I was planning to be in the dream not with the perspective that it's not real, but instead that it's a story. Like you know a novel is not real, but you're engrossed in it and you want to know what will happen. So I said the mantra "This is a story" a few times while scanning the vivid and pleasant outdoors scenery. I also remembered I wanted to go to my mental temple and before getting there, I wanted to stabilize my body by "visualizing my luminous body". I already had a sense of my body prior to that thought but as I focused on that, the scenery disappeared and I could feel that I was carrying someone above my shoulders. My next step was to go to my mental temple, without the burden mind you, but no visuals manifested. Instead I woke up. Weirdly enough, I felt like visualizing weakened my dream instead of strengthening it. It felt like what was in front of me was so much more real than what I could hope to visualize. At the same time, I was really close to awakening as this happened between two alarms...

Do you visualize a luminous body in your dreams? Has it helped you stabilize your dreams?

Sometimes..

**Occipitalred** · 12-17-2024 05:50 AM

Originally Posted by shaelynothere

What is ‘visualizing your luminous body” mean to you?

That's what they called it in Berserk, but I don't imply anything magical. In a dream, you don't have a physical body. Your dream body is an illusion. That's why calling it a luminous body seemed fine. Also, I don't mean to visualize an image of the body, but to feel one's body.

To me, visualization seems to have a spectrum of realism. In the end, even perceived reality is produced by the mind. Maybe I could say it is the highest level of visualization, but I'm not sure it's true to say that. In the dream, my "visualization" did not seem as real as the "landscape" but that was my goal.

**Lang** · 12-17-2024 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Occipitalred

That's what they called it in Berserk, but I don't imply anything magical. In a dream, you don't have a physical body. Your dream body is an illusion. That's why calling it a luminous body seemed fine. Also, I don't mean to visualize an image of the body, but to feel one's body.

To me, visualization seems to have a spectrum of realism. In the end, even perceived reality is produced by the mind. Maybe I could say it is the highest level of visualization, but I'm not sure it's true to say that. In the dream, my "visualization" did not seem as real as the "landscape" but that was my goal.

Yeah, otherwise it would be in Beyond dreaming.