Thread: Upon Lucidity

Hmm, I get a rush of realisation, if thats what you mean

Hey Howetzer,

I believe I know what you are talking about. I get the same feeling when I become lucid that I get in waking life when something extraordinary happens. The only time I haven't gotten this feeling was when I became lucid in a night mare. I like how the feeling of accomplishment also carries thru in to the following day.

Nick

Not really, I just have a feeling of realization, and how clueless I must have been not to realize I was dreaming earlier when the pink elephants were flying over my head .

Yes I have felt that and I agree, it's a most positive feeling. It's usually jumbled with alot of other feelings as well that are almost undescibalbe with words and they happen in a flash. I've heard many say almost the same thing but, do you get the sensation that, for lack of a better word, you are experiencing something that is somehow more real than everyday life? I don't know how else to put it.

On a side note, I wanted to thank Dream Views for helping me attain lucidity after years of absence since I was a teenager. I guess life kind of got in the way. Marriage, kids, what have you. I never knew one could successfully induce them untill I found this place. Top notch site!

I disappeared for a while, busy with life again but, now back and enjoying sharing with everyone.

opon

Leo, you're something else. In one thread you'll have lines and lines of text and then here you say one word!

Dude, you are an enigma wrapped in a question.

I must get to know you better.

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Hey Howetzer,
I believe I know what you are talking about. I get the same feeling when I become lucid that I get in waking life when something extraordinary happens. The only time I haven't gotten this feeling was when I became lucid in a night mare. I like how the feeling of accomplishment also carries thru in to the following day.
Nick[/b]

Nick, I agree with you in both cases. One that it carries over to the next day. Although that happens wit me with non-lucid dreams as well.
And the nightmare thing. It is unfortunate that we have to wake up ,in the dream to realize a nightmare. It takes away that feeling. However being lucid we can change that outcome

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On a side note, I wanted to thank Dream Views for helping me attain lucidity after years of absence since I was a teenager. I guess life kind of got in the way. Marriage, kids, what have you. I never knew one could successfully induce them untill I found this place. Top notch site!

Well that is awesome

Leo,
Upon. Thanks Leo

Thanks all for replying

Originally posted by Leo Volont
opon

Leo,
Because it was such a ridiculous spelling error I kept pondering over it. And for the good it sparked a in my brain.

Upon. Maybe not the best word to achieve what I am trying to say. At any rate I have read two book that theorizes (to the author it's fact) that you can WAKE UP!
To be lucid in a sense at all times. So you would actually never stumble atop of lucidity but rather be fully aware of it.
Now one could not possibly come across the feeling I was describing if they were never coming to that realization.
.......Thoughts


Howetzer

[quote]Now one could not possibly come across the feeling I was describing if they were never coming to that realization.
.......Thoughts

That's very insightful of you, Howetzer.

It turns out, I think, that this theoretical lack of realization, if you will, is the principle obstacle in my WILDing. There doesn't appear to be anything to "realize," while going through the process. If you realize something is HI for instance, you tend to make it go away and return to wakefulness. If you realize that HI is "no big deal" and then let it go by you, then you tend to become mentally passive, which is typical of a non-lucid dream state.

Although I have been able to WILD a good handful of times, at various times of day, with varying degrees of efficiency, etc., I still cannot for the life of me construct of a mental model of my role in the experience and its dynamics. This is crucial for learning a skill, isn't it? Beginning piano players must imagine where they're going to put their hands, beginning martial artists must anticipate where there body will be, etc.

There don't appear to be any identifying markers like "realization," as there is for lucidity, which is quite easy for me to construct a mental model for my role in it. Look for a dream sign, question, test, accept, realize. Not complicated. But, despite the fact that I've done it a number of times, I don't have much success with imagining what it's like to go through a WILD. All that's reliable so far, it seems, is close your eyes, relax, and wait.

Ex Nine.
Very well put. Thank you for that.
Maybe it is not a process? Maybe if you become, aware as I stated above, it is a mind frame. A conditioned mind frame, but what mind frame is not, in some form or another?
Maybe by truly becoming unconditioned you can alleviate the theoretical lack of realization.
Because does our mind truly know what is real and what is not. To consider everything just "is"....I am making no sense.


"The isness of now"

Ooh i love this website! these conversations make me happy. Anyways i totally know that feeling you wree talking about. Right when I became lucid (during the one time I GOT lucid) I had that feeling. It makes you feel very good about yourself for some reason, like: wow. Lol i dont know wtf im talking about. And then you wake up and you're like : yes! That was awesome, and then after awhile you're like: damn, it's over . . .

It's hard for me to not think of it as a process. There has to be something that changes, right?

I actually have had what might be called an instantaneous WILD. I closed my eyes and after a bit of struggle, immediately opened a pair of dream eyes looking into a dreamworld. Extraordinary experience. I was healing from a very bad illness at the time. But even though it was very quick, there was some small event or combination of events that had to take place, wasn't there? I think so. I can't quite put the events into words, though, so it makes substantiating an answer to that question very difficult.

It's certainly a challenge to make sense of it all! And it's an apparently accessible challenge, which is why it's so irresistible.

I had tried to WILD for a few minutes after I made that post, while simultaneously trying to think of why i couldn't make a model of the transition. And I realized that even in a normal lucid dream, one must constantly remind himself of the fact that he is dreaming in order to hold lucidity.

In this sense there may be no abject difference between a WILD and a DILD. When one completes a WILD, one finds himself transitioned into an odd environment and then must realize that that environment is a dream, if not immediately, then soon or eventually. So, perhaps the only real difference between a WILD and a DILD is the time interval - a WILD occurring very shortly after falling asleep while a DILD occurring much later.


Back to that feeling, though, of ultimate liberation. It really is extraordinary. So much that I consider it a highlight of my life's achievements to have arrived at it.

The feeling does carry over into waking life for a bit, but it usually fades away. I'd love to keep some semblance of it through the whole day, every day. So much that I have tried to fool myself into having "lucid experiences" during the day - imagining that life were a dream and then transitioning in a lucid awareness of that fact.

Complete and total utter fantasy, that is. Keep doing that and it'll screw you up. I have no wish to "debunk" the idea that life is a dream for people who prefer to believe it at the expense of objectivity. Go bananas, if you'd like. It's just that I've tried it. I think the kind of buzz you get from it is an unbelievably impoverished imitation of the honest genuine article.

Perhaps I'm not doing it right? ----->