Natural Lucid Dreamer, ADHD, and New to this site!

**ChicagoRedwing2b** · 09-25-2003 09:06 PM

First let me say hello to everyone. I was refered to this site from and ADHD board I take part in, and let me say, it feels good to be home.

I am 25 years old, live in Chicago, and I have ADHD, Dyslexia, and I have alwasy been able to Lucid dream for as long as I can remeber.

Recently I have started to experience more frequently sleep paralysis at teh start of falling asleep. I have started to reach a higher elvel of conciousness as I fall asleep and thus I have started to experience more and more now, a sense of falling asleep, yet fully awake.
I can feel my body physically shut down part by part, until the paralysis takes over, and the hum is felt. I used to be scared, but now I am not, and each time it has happened I have let it go further along before suddenly jerking awake.

I have always been able to control my dreams in a sense, and I remember the dream and the time when i first gained this abillity.

I was 6 years old, dreaming about the dark robed killer, this Grim Reaper figure that used to have me tied to an exam table, and experiment on me. I had this dream repeatedly over and over for a long time, until that day. I suddenly realized this was a dream, I smiled to the dark figure, stood up, and beat his butt to death. I awoke shortly after and never have had that dream again.

The other dream was of an alien invasion that started and I was in the barn on my families farm and I was trying to run as fast as I could to the house where it was safe. I had this dream so many times, I always knew I was running fast but not really moving much at all. I broke free of this dream when I stood up and made the invasion totally disapear forever.

From that point on I have been bale to induce my own dreams, create them at will, and control them to some degree, although not always fully control them.

I have also had very disturbing dreams that I used to fear, but now see as gifts. I will have fully conversations with people I know, play out events in my life and experience things in my life, only to find them actually happen in reality shortly after, sometimes that very day after.

I have finished my finacee's sentences and thoughts before she even has opened her mouth, and finish whole conversations she and her sister had that I was not part of in reality, but listened to in my dream.

I have played out daily events, only to find myself in them in reality, and have managed to avoid accidents, errors, and missed calls, due to knowing they were going to happen before they actually did.

Weird?
Maybe but very possible.

I look forward to sharing and talking mroe with you all, thanks!

**Lucid-Wannabe** · 09-25-2003 10:25 PM

Very interesting stories, I have also had dreams when I talk to people, or do things and have them happen shortly in reality (like as you said, maybe even that very day), although these dreams are not lucid, which is strange (and as I said in a different post, I can only remember one lucid dream I had when I was ten, and im trying to learn how to do it).

Welcome!

**nerve** · 09-25-2003 10:26 PM

whoa

you're cool

wow I had a pregog. dream just a few days ago, anyone seen BigBrother4? it's a reality tv show. though I try to avoid reality tv shows as much as possible

anyway my friends watch it and I of course never saw one episode, but as it was getting close to the end of the show I had a dream I was in the show, and I asked someone who they thought would win. she said "June" and I woke up and asked my friend if someone named June was still in the game. I was freaked out because she said yes, and today I found out that she WON THE GAME! hope I have alot more dreams like this it would be cool.

**Curios** · 09-25-2003 10:41 PM

Some very cool experiences

Welcome

**Aneas** · 09-26-2003 01:03 AM

My first lucid dream was also at age six (32 years ago). I had a teacher that taught me in the first dream to control the dream body.

**Curios** · 09-26-2003 01:20 AM

I sometimes forget Lucid dreaming and dream control are really two different things. Seems like now i refer lucid dreaming as my ability to control dreams but its not. I have to be more clear for you newbies. Being aware that you are in a dream state is the first thing. Now that I think about it my first lucid dream was like when I was 16. I actually started flying shortly after my first few lucid dreams. There are some books from Carlos castenada. I remeber one in perticular call a seperate reality it all about awareness and focusing the mind on things most people dont bother with. I look back and after reading these books i oped up all sorts of doors.
Always open for ideas
PEACE

**Aneas** · 09-26-2003 03:52 PM

Please explain your theory of the difference between lucid dreaming and dream control Curios. However, I've been lucid for 32 years and don't consider myself a newbie. I have also read all of Carlos Castaneda's books. I read his first book when I was 12. He has a book called The Art of Dreaming that the LDers here may find interesting. If he interests you there are sites dedicated to discussing his practices.

**zwishenzug** · 09-26-2003 07:10 PM

I think the distinction between lucid dreaming and dream control that Curios is trying to make is just the difference between a fully lucid dream and some low-level lucidity.

**jill1978** · 09-26-2003 07:13 PM

Hey it's funny curious, but I just ordered that book acouple days ago, but have not received it in the mail yet....sounds good

**Second Attention** · 09-26-2003 08:15 PM

I hope you enjoy that book, jill, it is a great book, though to truly understand any of Carlos' early books, you really have to read the whole series. Well, except Magical Passes, I think that's just a bunch of Cleargreen, stupid, commercial, evil crap.

**ChicagoRedwing2b** · 09-26-2003 09:23 PM

Thanks all for the warm welcome. Its so wonderful to be able to talk of things many peopel find is nothing more the BS.

Let me WARN you right now, before you all start to read this post.
My brain is so active, the ideas, thoughts, beliefs, images, everything comes out to fast for me to control the flow. I have an ADHD mind, my writing will be hard to read, even harder to follow at times, as I ramble, skip around from topic to topic, never fully reaching the original point as by the time I finish writing this sentence I have already have 30 other poitns, of importance come to mind. I jump around alot, I forget points of interest, ramble, repeat, and generally write as chaotic as my mind.

You will find all sorts of things in my post, some make sense, some are out there, all come from the mind and heart, and all are very interesting to me and I hope to some of you here!

So
If I may dig some more, if you all don't mind!

I have come to the relization that subconsiously I feel that I am not normal, but I an different in some way from everyone else. I fell connected to the world around me, to life, to people, but I feel different then them all. I know I am human, that I am jsut like everyone else in a basic sense, but yet I feel that I am not the same, I am different, but for what purpose, or reason I do not know.

I have been going to therapy weekly for help in my ADHD problems. I was diagnosed offically at 25, I'm 26 now. In that therapy sessions we have reached a point where the therapist and I have started to uncover a subconsiousness that is directly opposite of who I am on the outside. As we have dug into things such as pasts, childhood, emotions, and all the standard hot topics to uncover things in the subconciousness, we have found one specifc non changed point

Anger

As we dug deeper with each session I started to realize my subconious self coming to the surface more and more. This subconious self was directly the exact opposite of everything I was in my life.

If I was a caring, loving person in life, my subconiousness was a nasty, uncaring, unforgiving, evil person with no remorse.

What we recently discovered together in our last session was what brings me here to your site today. I discovered a consious feeling/understanding withing my self, and my subconisous that was present in all of who I am, that I feel different, disconnected from the world, life, and people in some form or fashion.

My exact statment was this to her: "I just do not feel right, things around me feel wrong, different, something picking at the back of my soul, or consiousness that I am not like everyone else, something is strange, different, and as I age this feeling also grows, gets stronger, and I feel like I belong to something different something not of this world this life, I feel disconnected, and no matter what I know this is true, and I can't explain it, I jsut know it!"

I feel I more and more with each day that I am here for a reason. I do not know for what reason, or why, or how, but I am waiting for something.
I dream events of reality only to watch them unfold right before my eyes exactly as they were dreamed. I sense thoughts, intent, feelings, and emotions from people, I have never ever met in my life, and over long distances, only to discover they are connected to that person in some way.

All this talk of disconnectedness from my fellow humans, and I am about to make the follow statment: "I feel an overwelming union of energy between each and everyone one of us humna's, those alive and those long dead. Everyone connected in some way, by some means, and thus in an infinate universe every possible path, choice, all possibillities are experienced by each and every one of us in some way.
We are all connected in some way what one sould does effects each and everyone of us all in some way no matter how small the effects, we all experience the effects.

So why do I feel so different, disconnected, not part of this world, universe, my fellow humans? I feel this way becasue i have been denying myself the right to feel the connections, not because I am disconnected, I am very much connected, more so then I fully realize, or want to realize.

To connect on this level is to experience not only your emotions and energies, but to feel those of other humans connected at that level. To experience a subconious connection to another being is to experience a life time of knowledge, emotions, and energy. But we consiously bind ourselves to rules, laws, and logic from the time we are born, and thus prevent our own subconious selfs from connecting to one another in a way we all never imagined possible.

To transend to such a level of consciouness is possible and happens all the time, but it's something we all have been taught is not possible, but the truth is far from those teachings.

Our world is a world of day to day events, persoanl experiences good and bad, love and hate. We put rules, laws, restrictions, boundries, and walls in our world. We try to control, prevent, maintain, a sense of perfect peace with all. We grow, we breed, we spread, we consume, we argue, we fight, we love, we hate, and we live our lives, in each his/her own way.

But there is so much more to everything, many will never come to know.
If you look at all those people to changed the course of human kind, shocked the world, thought differently, sought answers to questiosn never before asked, if you look at them all, they all had simular feelings, conscious and subconscious understandings that things were not really as they seemed, and were not afraid to say "And why should they?".

We as human beings are unique in our minds, as we have seen no such other being like ourselves. We seek to understand the things that we do not, those things that we fear, we seek those of the unknown by nature.

Science sets out to explain these things buy applying rules and laws to them and we govern using these rules and laws. We are taught that if we hold a brick in our hands and let go of the brick it will fall to the floor becasue of gravity. We have all tried this and it falls to the floor.

A human baby will discover gravity as they attempt to repeatedly drop their toy over and over watching ti fall over and over to the floor. But you want to know something?

If you drop that brick an infinate number of times, at least once that brick will not fall to the floor, but will fall in the opposite direction, it will hover another time, and yet another time it will move to the left, then the right.

Without the rules, the laws, in an infinate universe, this will happen, and infact does happen. We has humans consciously except that it will fall down to the floor everytime and never change. But what happens when we remove the rules, the laws, the boundries, and we transend to a level of consciouness that is not held by these rules we humans creaated?
The brick doesn't fall down to the floor anymore.

Why is it so hard to let go of the rules, let go of the boundries, the laws WE HUMANS created for ourselves, and transend to a high consciouness were these things do not exsist? Is it because it is just not possible?

Because it is 100% possible. Our very exsistence demonstrates that anything is possible no matter how or why or what it is, no matter what everything is possible.

We consciously choose to follow these rules and laws we created, and subcnonsciously bind ourselves to them, and thus we come to understand nothing outside these rules and laws.

People who follow nothing, question these rules, laws, and beliefs have alwasy been in harms way of upsetting the balance we humans have created for ourselves. We have blocked ourselves from transending to the higher consciousness we all can reach, and have fought to the death to prevent others from reaching it.

The very reason we exsist, the very answers we think we are trying to find, are the ones we fear the most and use to creat such rules and laws to govern otehrs from ever reaching such levels of being!

I will stop now, before I get way out there. I thank those who read through it all. Open mind allows for new understandings, ideas, and abillites, think outside the box, and everything is posisble!

**Second Attention** · 09-26-2003 10:49 PM

Chicago:
I would love to make this post as long and as beautiful as yours was, my friend, but I cannot. I simply have to say that I agree with EVERYTHING you just said. It's almost as though you picked all the things I've been thinking about lately directly out of my mind and put them up on this board. Which is freakin cool. I guess that's all I really have to say. I look forward to reading more of your posts, and hopefully responding with something better to say than simply, "Yeah, man, that's what I'm saying!"

**Aneas** · 09-27-2003 01:24 AM

Welcome to the "not like everyone else" club, Chicago. I've been a member for my 38 years in my present incarnation. Everything really is quite simple. When it is all said and done and the truth is revealed you can't help but laugh at our seriousness in the illusion of reality. What a long strange trip its been!

**jill1978** · 09-27-2003 11:05 PM

Sometimes I think this purpose we seek is already unfolding, it's triumph over the confines of being human. No winners or losers, just greater knowlege under different surcomstances. Every human I see is essentially me under a different set of surcomstances...Our dna is a surcomstance, our egos, our upbringing, our enviroment, our brain chemistry...underneath is our soul which is separate from all these things we carry as a vehicle on this earth, but they fog the better reasoning sometimes. Just be, and let life unfold.

**jill1978** · 09-27-2003 11:09 PM

why do I spell circumstance with an s

**DreamCoil** · 09-28-2003 03:45 AM

After reading all of this my mind boggles, everything said here makes alot of sense to me. I wish I could write what im thinking but everything has already been said...

**Serinanth** · 09-28-2003 06:14 AM

I have to agree with the agreeing

Welcome.

This is exactly what we need, in the past people with these experiences, these lives have lived them alone, without understanding, alot of them probably ended up in looney bins, being told they were nuts every day and then finaly beleiving it, they werent/arent nuts, they just experience reality... life, more lucidly, not just their dreams but in this waking part of life. But here we can convene with one another share our experiences, thoughts, ideas and we can all grow from it. Alone we are wandering around blindly, learning things by hit and miss but with all this shared knowledge we can find out what works and what dosent best methods, along with something thats even more important, our individual experiences how we each see. The more we are exposed to the better off we will be.

Chicago I have been trying to unlearn all that nonsense for quite a while now, I've had a couple events happen to me that helped that along the way as I cannot look back at Science in the same way, hell even science itself is getting funky... human though effects the outcome of quantum descisions for f%$#s sake. In a near perfect vacuum matter just kind of appears!. That two sub atomic particles emitted at the same moment from the same source are inexherobly tied to one another through some kind of link that is not dissipated by distance and is instantaneous...

Impossible is just what has yet to be seen

As for that pesky itch in the pit of your soul that says something aint right and that something is going to happen, Its already in motion, I think it could be compared to a snowball going down a mountain, it gains mass and speed, I just wonder when hehe although the fleeting moment that is a human life compared to the vastness of the universe we are probably just a tad impatient

I heard this on tv but it made perfect sense to me.

We are merely star dust, a part of this universe, what if, in our search for understanding of the universe that we are in fact the universe itself trying to understand itself?

Ok I gotta share this because it pertains to me too, and I thought it was hysterical, could just be my weird sense of humor though.

How many Adhd kids does it take to screw in a light bulb?

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Wana go ride bikes?

The trick when you tell it is to be all enthusiastic and sudden about riding bikes, I know I am

**nerve** · 09-28-2003 05:00 PM

great joke!

**Aneas** · 09-28-2003 09:33 PM

Duality is the greatest myth ever perpetrated by humans. All is one is all. I can only truly help myself by helping another. All the worlds a stage!!

**Ginko** · 09-28-2003 09:40 PM

I Crave attention people, is any 1 listening. THIS IS A CRY FOR HELP.

**Lucid-Wannabe** · 09-29-2003 03:28 AM

Guess no one wants to give you any attention... Well you can have mine if you want.

**Ginko** · 09-30-2003 01:27 AM

AHAHAHHA suckers, iv got your attention and im not giving it back.

**ChicagoRedwing2b** · 09-30-2003 09:22 PM

I love ADHD jokes, becasue frankly they are 100% true.

What were we talking about? Wow check out that car, I bet skiing in the Alps would be cool, lets go to the store, I need bread.

Funny, but so true.

I personally think kids and adults with ADHD have something special. Ya society tells us ADHD is bad and we are problem people, chaotic, wild, carefree, and uncontrolable, but what is so wrong with that?

A teacher who can not engage a childs mind enough to draw the child's attention in order to teach that child something is doing something wrong.
Now a child with ADHD makes this task even harder for the teacher because a child with ADHD requires direct stimulant and requires a very large amount of it to maintain focus.

That child is not stupid, not slow, not dumb, retarded, or what ever people think. That child has a gift, that hopefully later in life they will come to realize and understand and develop.

The ADHD mind may have trouble with the normal everyday crap, the conformity of society, the inabillity to conform, control, stay still may be a problem, but what about the childs mind that flows so rapidly with thoughts and ideas and images, that rules and boundries can not ever truely exsist, and enver will in their mind.

How does someone wake up one day and suddenly thinks of the idea of traveling to space, and then discovers how to actually do it?

How does a person suddenly spark an interest in the possibillity that a car can run without gas, but rather on the very air we all breath daily?

The ideas flood the mind of an ADHD child and adult. The trick is these people sudden realize the gift they have, and start trying to grasp the ideas and note them down. Try to develop them, try to experiemnt them and work with them.

SO how does this relate to this site, and Lucid Dreaming? Easily. Dreaming created a thunderstorm of activity in the human brain during REM sleep. If you ever get to see and EKG of a person in REM sleep check it out, its crazy to see the needles going insane.

The connection between lucid dreamers and ADHD is simple. The removal of the rules, the boundries, the laws that humans put in place to comfort, control and explain the world we live in.

Dreaming removes these rules, laws, and boundries and presents states of understanding, believing in one self flying rather then walking to school. We know we are flying, yet most fail to realize this as anything but the norm while dreaming.
Lucid dreamers have managed to cross the threshhold of consciousness to understand and realize that they infact are dreaming, and thus start to change, effect, and influence their own dreams with some level of control and ease.

ADHD dreamers, have a distinct advantage in this area. We have never bound ourselves by the rules and laws in our world in our own mind. We never have been allowed to because we can't stay focused long enough to really care. We understand reality says gravity is real and the apple will fall to the floor if I drop it, but I still try to prove this wrong by dropping it ove rnad over waiting for it to rise instead of fall, just once.

We can talk in detail about how we view the world. Why gravity is fake, a self created force we placed on ourselves long ago and thus belived it so to make it reality, when in fact the force of gravity is just not real.

We can have this argument in such detail, enthusiasum, and with such ease. We have no really sense of a close mind, so therfore we can think freely.

The ADHD lucid dreamer has a realative sense of control and understanding that they are indeed actually dreaming. I for one can maintain and demonstrate throuhg EKG testing levels of brain wave activity normally not recorded during waking hours, as well as carry these waves and more over in REM sleep and produce the very same waves in my dreams, only this time the waves are much stronger and much more controlled.

I can induce a dream about what ever I wish at near sleep. But I find many times the dream quickly is overwelmed by other images, dreams that are deeper in the brain as I reach REM sleep. Images of the day, of people I don't know, places I have never seen before, and places I know very well but never actuall have ever been to in reality.

I have been able to know that I am dreaming, but the control has been hard to maintain. Many times I fail to induce Lucid dreams and any sort of control or understanding while medicated.

This is were it all comes together and can be understood. Medication can demonstrate my thearies and prove them very well. Because under the influence of such medication, brain waves deminish in the ADHD mind, the normal patterns start to show up, and the levels of activity deminish overall. Brain waves that were before present and showing such hightened levels of brain activity before, are no longer present.

I have yet to clearly understand and rememebr my dreams while under medication, and have yet to induce a Lucid dream with control. But when I skip my meds for a day, and maybe even two days, I find dreams clear, vivid, and many lucid. I have been known to clearly develop technology advances in computers in their entirerty in my dreams, things I never thought possible, but yet clearly possible in reality, just a little to advanced for the times.

Thanks for sharing with me again!

**nix-man** · 10-01-2003 09:14 AM

hey, besides all of your 'adhd people are better than normal people' stuff, whats all this about 'i will drop something and at SOMETIME it will fall UP!', that is just too lame... you cant prove 'gravity wrong', gravity is gravity, there are many reasons, the atmosphere, the planet is a certain size thus causing a certan amount of gravity, the list goes on. but just saying that we restricted ourselves to it is just very lame. thought i could shed some light for you.

**Serinanth** · 10-01-2003 10:37 AM

The fact that equation of gravity works is because of a constant, namely

"G"

Force of gravity = m*g = G*Mearth*m/d2

This constant was not solved for until nearly a century after Newton came up with the formula, by a fellow named Henry Cavendish, now he solved this using a small apparatus called a torsion balance, I wont get into it because its boring, but the value of G is a very small number that is because it takes a very large object to exert much gravitational force on an object, i.e. the earth. Oh yeah... you have to change that value of "g" in the equation too "g" is the acceleration of gravity depending on where you are if you want it to work accurately... and I don’t mean just change it when you go from earth gravity to mars gravity, you even have to change it when using it on earth depending on the substrata of the earth your elevation your latitude too.
Now... stuff they don't like to say, they had a hard time when the Space program first started up, it didn't work right... they crashed stuff into the moon they missed it, they had to tweak the G factor so it would work on that scale. Granted the equations to figuring out how to get a space craft to land on the moon were a tad larger than that simple equation the fact still stands things had to be altered and they tried until they got it right not due to mathematical or hardware problems... (they had those too)
Also at quantum levels Newtonian physics say "F&#$ that!" this craps too damned small and breaks down entirely...so in my mind...

The current theory of Gravitation is shaky at best.

Mind you I know jack shit about physics. And came up with this in a matter of a half hour, do some digging and you will come across the same stuff. But its not crazy talk I save that for raptors ninja's zombies and aliens.

Also CRW2b (sorry I'm lazy so I will abbreviate =) said an infinite amount of times, this ball was dropped, spanning the with and breadth of infinity one encounters all kinds of strange things,

Take for instance a very good example from a funny man by the name of Douglas Adams; he said if you take an Infinite number of monkeys and typewriters and have them bang on the typewriters eventually one of them will have written War and Peace. And if you had an infinite number of monkeys bangin away at typewriters you would indeed have a copy of War and Peace laying around... now finding it and dodging all the angry monkeys throwing poo at you that would be another story. (Monkeys love to throw poop)

In an infinite universe and time scale anything is quite possible, in that you will encounter an infinite amount of influences on say dropping a ball so at least one of those times the ball will not fall.

Try not to follow science too devoutly, it's still in its infancy we keep proving ourselves wrong over and over again, that is one good thing about it though, there is a measurable growth of knowledge. But like I said, that old universal gravitation equation may be thrown out one day for something that works on galactic, planetary, and quantum scales.

I don’t think CRW2b meant that ADHD people are better, I think he was trying to bring to light that most people think it’s a bad thing, while its really just a bad thing for lazy yuppie, hire a nanny, go play videogames, get outamy hair parents, and old crusty teachers that get irritated when they are questioned about things THEY never bothered to ask abou and don’t quite understand.

And I think you proved his point quite well, you limited your experience with the ball to a finite situation, he on the other hand did not.

Oh yeah

/RANT OFF/

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