Thread: This Ever Happen To You?: Losing Energy (fast) While You Ld

It's all in your imagination. Whoever might've told you that your body can leak lucid-energy, is a lier, or a person who isn't thinking very logically.

Originally Posted by chevalier_violet

So, I LD'd for the first time extensively yesterday. I followed the CC recommendation of finding the hands, and also finding the spot just above the genitals. In both cases, I could feel a lot of energy seeping out of me. (if you don't believe people have energy, well, you don't really belong on this site hehe). Has this ever happened to you?

It was worrisome because, well, losing a lot of energy isn't generally a good idea. I felt drained this morning, though I'm feeling slightly better now. I did my best to recuperate what I could, but I'm still not feeling 100%.

What might be the problem? Anything I can do to stop it? Thanks everybody,

The Purple Knight
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what is the CC recommendation? Focussing on some point at the base of the spine, just above the genitals, sounds like focussing on the ''Genital'' Chacra, which is a Hindu/Buddhist Chacra Meditation Practice. I've Read that that can go wrong if not practiced properly and Energy can shoot back to the Lowest Chacra, sometimes resulting in Perversion & Extreme Sexual Drive, or a Complete lack of it.

That's about the same energy flow you must have felt I think. Chacra points are points on the Body where one can Focus Attention to and meditate on and reach Deep States :


They're like Energy entres in our Bodies. We can Gather Conciousness to each one of the Chacra points by Meditating on them and focussing attention on these spots. I believe it is possible for Energy to Leak. I believe it streams around the body and I also believe it can be directed in a Mindfull way through meditational Attention Focussing. I mean why do I believe in this ''Power''? because I can feel it. It is ''Life'' which is an abstract understanding, rather than some concrete thing that can be scientifically perceived and Researched: the power that drives us, the energy that allows us to move our bodies, gives us a Mind and heart of our own to explore. Some people call it ''The energy of the Universe'', other's call it God, Allah, Elohim, Buddha or Yahweh, so it is always differently interpreted. But the basic idea of ''Energy'' is the same

Yogic Meditation:Read about it, it'll surely interrest you. I'm betting the subject isn't new to you

i have no idea what your talking about but spinning gives you more energy it shouldn't be used for telelport thats just bs use spinning for stablising your dreams and getting your engery back

It's important to remember that a dream is a subjective reality. A model of the real world that exists only within the dreaming person's mind. Keeping this in mind, it can be said that losing energy, whether or not it exists as such (which I don't personally believe, although I don't dismiss the thought entirely), would have to happen to your actual body. The one lying asleep in bed.
Even if this is what was happening, it makes no sense that it would have had anything to do with lucidity, as you were still dreaming like you do every night. The only difference being that you knew you were dreaming now.

I'd say what happened is that you experienced a sensation within the dream that made you think you were losing energy, which made you feel drained when you woke up. Also, assuming the whole energy/chakra thing is real, you might have actually lost energy as a result of thinking you would. Meaning the same happened as what I described above, only you actually did lose energy because of the false sensation.
In other words. I'd blame the good ol' placebo effect. Whether or not I'm right, don't worry about it too much. If this were normal, other people would have noticed and this issue would have been well-known. This is one of the reasons I believe it was just your own mind putting you up to it.

Finally, I'd like to comment on the following remark (skip this if you're bored with me):

if you don't believe people have energy, well, you don't really belong on this site hehe[/b]

This definitly is nowhere near the truth. chakras, energy, terms like that are on a very different level than lucid dreams (which is not to say they're ridiculous or that people who believe in them are stupid). The difference being that lucid dreaming has been scientifically proven and can also be explained by logical means. That's to say: there's no reason why lucid dreaming shouldn't be possible within the generally accepted laws of physics etc.
The similarity between the two subjects lies in that both are regarded by some people as nonsense. This similarity mainly just exists because of people's unwillingness to accept things that seem impossible to them.

Like I said, I personally don't believe in the things mentioned above, but do believe in lucid dreams, and there are many people that are the same.

Be careful. Protect that area if there's leakage. You're too wide open. You need to suck it in. Protect yourself with white light before you sleep. Focus it, cover it. Don't attempt again before you do. Work on it during your day. Pull it in from all around you.
Is there a person near you draining you? Is there someone that you're sexually involved with?
Cloak yourself strong with the energy. Sing to your genitals. It's not crazy, it'll work. Sing gently.
Try sleeping with a favourite item of clothing or somesuch tied around your abdomen.
Seriously, don't let your energy pour out like that. If it's draining you in waking life try those things. Your intent will help. Be a strong dreamer.

The dream world is your representation of the waking world. The problem is our subconcious can't tell the difference between dreams and reality so since you dreamed of losing energy your subconcious might have taken the effect on your physical body. It sounds like the stuff your dealing with is energy in the chakras. If you want to keep that up go buy a book on it, it can help you understand much better. I have also been dealing with alot of energy control recently.

Originally Posted by chevalier_violet

So, I LD'd for the first time extensively yesterday. I followed the CC recommendation of finding the hands, and also finding the spot just above the genitals. In both cases, I could feel a lot of energy seeping out of me. (if you don't believe people have energy, well, you don't really belong on this site hehe). Has this ever happened to you?

It was worrisome because, well, losing a lot of energy isn't generally a good idea. I felt drained this morning, though I'm feeling slightly better now. I did my best to recuperate what I could, but I'm still not feeling 100%.

What might be the problem? Anything I can do to stop it? Thanks everybody,

The Purple Knight
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You are absolutely right. Energy Levels are very perceptable within Lucid Dreaming. People can easily rank the Intensity of their Lucid Dreams, if they are honest about it. And there are occassions when you can feel the perceptable draining of one's Energy in a Lucid Dream -- one knows it is slipping away.

Now the Materialists will tell you that it all in your Imagination and that you should be able to conteract any Energy Dream with some Absolute Power of Control. But this is all just Hopeful Theory to them -- a Perfection that they strive for, while they continue to write in complaining that this Perfect Control the Believe in like their New God keeps just out of reach of their Attainment.

Now, as to the practical problem of energy slipping away. Well, I have always tried quick and rapid breathing. It does something toward replenishing the Energy.

Many Spiritual Traditions claim that sexual abstinance helps in collecting the Spiritual Energies. Yet I seriously wonder how anybody would ever know. If one is eating well and healthy, then there will be a certain amount of sexual activity. The only times that Monks are successful in being sexually abstinent is when they are also virtually starved with fasting and vegetarianism, and run down with hard work and very little sleep. But then the only reason there is no longer any sexuality is because there is no longer any energy left over anywhere in the system for the libido.

So my advice is to simply be as healthy as one can possibly be. And when one goes lucid, to take quick and deep breaths.

Ok, obviously all of you believe I'm imagined this in my dream. Perhaps if I felt an empty spot in my pelvis in a dream and it disappeared later... but no, it was still there.

I dunno, maybe you guys aren't so adept at feeling the ebbs and flows of your own energy. No doubt you have strengths that I don't in any case, but when you feel it, you know. Thanks anyway for the replies.

Originally Posted by Umbrella

Finally, I'd like to comment on the following remark (skip this if you're bored with me):

This definitly is nowhere near the truth. chakras, energy, terms like that are on a very different level than lucid dreams (which is not to say they're ridiculous or that people who believe in them are stupid). The difference being that lucid dreaming has been scientifically proven and can also be explained by logical means. That's to say: there's no reason why lucid dreaming shouldn't be possible within the generally accepted laws of physics etc.
The similarity between the two subjects lies in that both are regarded by some people as nonsense. This similarity mainly just exists because of people's unwillingness to accept things that seem impossible to them.

Like I said, I personally don't believe in the things mentioned above, but do believe in lucid dreams, and there are many people that are the same.
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I'm not bored with you... are you bored with your own post?

Ok, I stand corrected. There's no need to believe in energy, or chakras to try to lucid dream. You're right that, scientifically speaking, if somebody says they can lucid dream there's absolutely no reason to disbelieve them. Most people don't view LD as nonsense. Most positivists would see attempts to lucid dream as either a waste of effort for a fantasy land, or even a dangerous form of escapism. After all, what counts is scientific progress! I don't think most people view LD as impossible, just as a lot of effort for something with no obvious practical benefit. An odd hobby at best. Most people see it as the more occultish, fruitcake types who would spend their time on such a pursuit. In any case, one thing I like about this site is the diversity of views and backgrounds. My warmest welcome to you and your particular angle on life! You seem like an interesting fella, I'll stay awake for your point of view anytime. Keep in touch

Dude did you even read my reply? I was agreeing with you. Don't feel down. There are others out there who know it's not bunk to talk about energy. Read my reply again.

Originally Posted by Umbrella

It's important to remember that a dream is a subjective reality. A model of the real world that exists only within the dreaming person's mind. Keeping this in mind, it can be said that losing energy, whether or not it exists as such (which I don't personally believe, although I don't dismiss the thought entirely), would have to happen to your actual body. The one lying asleep in bed.
Even if this is what was happening, it makes no sense that it would have had anything to do with lucidity, as you were still dreaming like you do every night. The only difference being that you knew you were dreaming now.

I'd say what happened is that you experienced a sensation within the dream that made you think you were losing energy, which made you feel drained when you woke up. [/b]

Good point. They are no actual things happening to the Physical body. They are Hypnagogic Hallucinations. I've experienced them while trying to WILD and almost conciously entered the Transition Phase and FELT as if I was falling as I saw a Visual Hallucination of my livingroom window looking out into the green garden. Hypnagogic Hallucinations during the Transitionphase and the Dream involve Auditory Hallucinations(The Sounds and Voices in the dream), Visual Hallucinatios(The visible dreamscape and characters), Tactile hallucinations (''The Falling from heights''-sensation, Numbness & Tingling, Pain, sense of Touch) and sometimes taste and olfactory hallucinations too.

Umbrella, I think what chevalier_violet sais having experienced was a Hypnagogic Tactile sensation interpretted as ''loosing energy fast''.
You have to understand that The Buddhist Meditative way of explaining such matters is only different in the way of explaining: The basis is the same as the MethaPhysical explanation: ''A Hypnagogic Tactile Hallucination that made it seem like the subject was falling/fainting''
The Yogic Meditative way of explaning the SAME thing would be: ''He was loosing spiritual energy fast''
They have a diffferent way of life and thus a different way of explaining such ungraspable as dreaming and Hypnagogia. You shouldn't take it litterally but it's Eastern Wisdom: Same basic idea as the Western MethaPhysical explanation only then wrapped in methaphor and explained very symbolic in order to get their heads around it easier.

Works for some people.
When you try and explain a little boy of 6 years old why people sometimes commit Racial Cleansing and Ethnic Genocide you can explain it like this:
''Well sometimes populations and Governments of large Empires of highly developed cultures can start feeling Racially, Religiously or Culturally Superior to Other Ethnicities living in their Nation and decide to Prosecute them on a large scale for their ethnic or racial background only''

The little kid will look very confused when you tell em that. He certainly won't have understood.
Explain it like this:
''Well sometimes there's a country with a very strong army and they fel better than other cultures and better than the people in those other cultures. And sometimes they think they are so much better that the kill alot of people from other cultures. All people, Innocent people. It's very wrong to do that''

The Kid will understand much better because you presented the story in a easily Mind-digestable Methaphorical way. A parallel example. That's what Buddhist meditation is about: Speaking about ungraspable things such as dreaming and sleeping in a methaphorical, symbolical way in order to understand it all easier.

It's not ''some other, irratinal explanation'', It's the same explanation, just said in a very different way

You are absolutely right. Energy Levels are very perceptable within Lucid Dreaming. People can easily rank the Intensity of their Lucid Dreams, if they are honest about it. And there are occassions when you can feel the perceptable draining of one's Energy in a Lucid Dream -- one knows it is slipping away.

Now the Materialists will tell you that it all in your Imagination and that you should be able to conteract any Energy Dream with some Absolute Power of Control. But this is all just Hopeful Theory to them -- a Perfection that they strive for, while they continue to write in complaining that this Perfect Control the Believe in like their New God keeps just out of reach of their Attainment.

Now, as to the practical problem of energy slipping away. Well, I have always tried quick and rapid breathing. It does something toward replenishing the Energy.

Many Spiritual Traditions claim that sexual abstinance helps in collecting the Spiritual Energies. Yet I seriously wonder how anybody would ever know. If one is eating well and healthy, then there will be a certain amount of sexual activity. The only times that Monks are successful in being sexually abstinent is when they are also virtually starved with fasting and vegetarianism, and run down with hard work and very little sleep. But then the only reason there is no longer any sexuality is because there is no longer any energy left over anywhere in the system for the libido.

So my advice is to simply be as healthy as one can possibly be. And when one goes lucid, to take quick and deep breaths.
Miskingo Posted Today, 12:11 AM
The dream world is your representation of the waking world. The problem is our subconcious can't tell the difference between dreams and reality so since you dreamed of losing energy your subconcious might have taken the effect on your physical body. It sounds like the stuff your dealing with is energy in the chakras. If you want to keep that up go buy a book on it, it can help you understand much better. I have also been dealing with alot of energy control recently. [/b]

Originally Posted by penny

Be careful. Protect that area if there's leakage. You're too wide open. You need to suck it in. Protect yourself with white light before you sleep. Focus it, cover it. Don't attempt again before you do. Work on it during your day. Pull it in from all around you.
Is there a person near you draining you? Is there someone that you're sexually involved with?
Cloak yourself strong with the energy. Sing to your genitals. It's not crazy, it'll work. Sing gently.
Try sleeping with a favourite item of clothing or somesuch tied around your abdomen.
Seriously, don't let your energy pour out like that. If it's draining you in waking life try those things. Your intent will help. Be a strong dreamer.

Dude did you even read my reply?
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Nope I didn't read your reply at all. What does it say?

While I was posting a reply to the placebo guys (I type slowly, getting used to the American keyboard again), I got a whole bunch of replies, which I read just after.

I agree with what these new posts are saying: this energy loss thing sounds a bit serious, and I think I should take the utmost care to keep my energy intact. I've been stupid and careless with my energy my entire life, so this is nothing new. That being said, a bit of intelligence and care wouldn't hurt anybody, least of all me.

I'll give the white light thing a whirl, I used to do that when I was little. Rapid breathing, how the crap am I supposed to do that while I'm asleep?! Is it really that hard to be abstinent? Yeah you're right, it is that hard.

As for singing to my genitals, now there's an idea I like! I'll try a bit of Sinatra tonight.

"Strangers in the niiiiight, what were the chances?" Goodbye abstinence.

For the record, that's crazy AND it just might work.

Originally Posted by chevalier_violet

Ok, obviously all of you believe I'm imagined this in my dream. Perhaps if I felt an empty spot in my pelvis in a dream and it disappeared later... but no, it was still there.

I dunno, maybe you guys aren't so adept at feeling the ebbs and flows of your own energy. No doubt you have strengths that I don't in any case, but when you feel it, you know. Thanks anyway for the replies.
I'm not bored with you... are you bored with your own post?

Ok, I stand corrected. There's no need to believe in energy, or chakras to try to lucid dream. You're right that, scientifically speaking, if somebody says they can lucid dream there's absolutely no reason to disbelieve them. Most people don't view LD as nonsense. Most positivists would see attempts to lucid dream as either a waste of effort for a fantasy land, or even a dangerous form of escapism. After all, what counts is scientific progress! I don't think most people view LD as impossible, just as a lot of effort for something with no obvious practical benefit. An odd hobby at best. Most people see it as the more occultish, fruitcake types who would spend their time on such a pursuit. In any case, one thing I like about this site is the diversity of views and backgrounds. My warmest welcome to you and your particular angle on life! You seem like an interesting fella, I'll stay awake for your point of view anytime. Keep in touch
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Not bored eh? that's good. Just that I was afraid my post was getting too long. I tend to make long posts on these boards a lot.
Anyway, it's good to see you agree with me on this, and I too like to be able to talk to people with so many different views on here. It's interesting to say the least, and also helps the mind stay open to new concepts, so to speak.

Originally Posted by chevalier_violet

Good point. They are no actual things happening to the Physical body. They are Hypnagogic Hallucinations. I've experienced them while trying to WILD and almost conciously entered the Transition Phase and FELT as if I was falling as I saw a Visual Hallucination of my livingroom window looking out into the green garden. Hypnagogic Hallucinations during the Transitionphase and the Dream involve Auditory Hallucinations(The Sounds and Voices in the dream), Visual Hallucinatios(The visible dreamscape and characters), Tactile hallucinations (''The Falling from heights''-sensation, Numbness & Tingling, Pain, sense of Touch) and sometimes taste and olfactory hallucinations too.

Umbrella, I think what chevalier_violet sais having experienced was a Hypnagogic Tactile sensation interpretted as ''loosing energy fast''.
You have to understand that The Buddhist Meditative way of explaining such matters is only different in the way of explaining: The basis is the same as the MethaPhysical explanation: ''A Hypnagogic Tactile Hallucination that made it seem like the subject was falling/fainting''
The Yogic Meditative way of explaning the SAME thing would be: ''He was loosing spiritual energy fast''
They have a diffferent way of life and thus a different way of explaining such ungraspable as dreaming and Hypnagogia. You shouldn't take it litterally but it's Eastern Wisdom: Same basic idea as the Western MethaPhysical explanation only then wrapped in methaphor and explained very symbolic in order to get their heads around it easier.

Works for some people.
When you try and explain a little boy of 6 years old why people sometimes commit Racial Cleansing and Ethnic Genocide you can explain it like this:
''Well sometimes populations and Governments of large Empires of highly developed cultures can start feeling Racially, Religiously or Culturally Superior to Other Ethnicities living in their Nation and decide to Prosecute them on a large scale for their ethnic or racial background only''

The little kid will look very confused when you tell em that. He certainly won't have understood.
Explain it like this:
''Well sometimes there's a country with a very strong army and they fel better than other cultures and better than the people in those other cultures. And sometimes they think they are so much better that the kill alot of people from other cultures. All people, Innocent people. It's very wrong to do that''

The Kid will understand much better because you presented the story in a easily Mind-digestable Methaphorical way. A parallel example. That's what Buddhist meditation is about: Speaking about ungraspable things such as dreaming and sleeping in a methaphorical, symbolical way in order to understand it all easier.

It's not ''some other, irratinal explanation'', It's the same explanation, just said in a very different way
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I completely agree with you.
On vacation I met two girls who independently of eachother told me they had the strange habit of taking over the emotions of the people around them. The first explained it by saying she was in a way psycic, and it had to do with the energy in her body. The other said she probably just feels the atmosphere in a stronger way and didn't really believe in the concept of New Age people. However, both of them were very convincing and I think both were right, even though their explanations weren't the same.
Looks like this is what you're talking about.

Either way, the problem of losing energy in a lucid dream should be very easy to solve. One of the suggestions made by other posters is very likely to solve the problem entirely, and if it doesn't, remember that anything is possible in a dream, including solving this.

P.S: I definitly would try singing to your genitals, that's one of the coolest things I've ever heard. Even better if it works.

Originally Posted by penny

Dude did you even read my reply? I was agreeing with you. Don't feel down. There are others out there who know it's not bunk to talk about energy. Read my reply again.
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Wow, I have to say. That singing thing works really well. Very protective. I am in your debt. Thanks

Originally Posted by chevalier_violet

(if you don't believe people have energy, well, you don't really belong on this site hehe).

The Purple Knight
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What the hell are you talking about? Unlike all your crappy energy-whining Lucid Dreaming is proven. So there are enough of rational thinking people here, not just a few floating quaks.

Besides that. It is all just in your mind. I don't see why only people that buy into that energy-stuff feel it. Oh wait I do, becouse it's a bunch of nonsence.

chevalier violet writes: "So, I LD'd for the first time extensively yesterday. I followed the CC recommendation of finding the hands, and also finding the spot just above the genitals. In both cases, I could feel a lot of energy seeping out of me. (if you don't believe people have energy, well, you don't really belong on this site hehe). Has this ever happened to you?

What might be the problem? Anything I can do to stop it?"

Okay. Two things:

1) It is normal for one to "lose energy" in LD. One's lucidity may only last a few seconds before one forgets and gets pulled into the dream, and yes, with practice it may last longer.. but rest assured even highly-experienced dreamers can "lose energy" quite quickly... it's all about fixation, or the lack thereof;

2) I'm not sure about your description. Are you saying that your own account of "losing energy" is a description of a physical sensation?? Because if so, I've only ever had one LD where that happened.. so was it a physical sensation, and if so, where did it emanate from?

Originally Posted by Neruo

What the hell are you talking about? Unlike all your crappy energy-whining Lucid Dreaming is proven. So there are enough of rational thinking people here, not just a few floating quaks.

Besides that. It is all just in your mind. I don't see why only people that buy into that energy-stuff feel it. Oh wait I do, becouse it's a bunch of nonsence.
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Next time you're going to call anything nonsense, at least have the decency to post a coherent thread. I'm not even talking about English grammar, syntax, vocabulary... your thoughts don't make any sense. Judging by your post, I doubt you've ever heard of the saying "the pot calling the kettle black." Look it up. Or how about the part in the Bible about a splinter in your eye?





I love these positivists who think they know so much about science who haven't read a single page of philosophy of science. Call me a fruitcake out of pure ignorance... it's pitiful.

You don't even know what a positivist is. What's the point of having a conversation with you? I'm the only one who is capable of understanding what I'm saying.

Then again, you're the only one who's capable of understanding what you wrote... so I guess we're even.

Originally Posted by Neruo

chevalier violet writes: "So, I LD'd for the first time extensively yesterday. I followed the CC recommendation of finding the hands, and also finding the spot just above the genitals. In both cases, I could feel a lot of energy seeping out of me. (if you don't believe people have energy, well, you don't really belong on this site hehe). Has this ever happened to you?

What might be the problem? Anything I can do to stop it?"

Okay. Two things:

1) It is normal for one to "lose energy" in LD. One's lucidity may only last a few seconds before one forgets and gets pulled into the dream, and yes, with practice it may last longer.. but rest assured even highly-experienced dreamers can "lose energy" quite quickly... it's all about fixation, or the lack thereof;

2) I'm not sure about your description. Are you saying that your own account of "losing energy" is a description of a physical sensation?? Because if so, I've only ever had one LD where that happened.. so was it a physical sensation, and if so, where did it emanate from?
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Thanks for the response. I was losing energy out of the pelvic area, just above the generals - heh I mean genitals. Yes it was a physical sensation... one that our friend from the Netherlands of course wouldn't call a physical sensation. "Losing energy" is not a physical sensation most people can or would identify, but for me it is as physical as stubbing my toe.

Hi chevalier violet.. I really don't know of anything that you could do to stop it. Any suggestion that I could make would only be a guess..

When it happened to me I woke myself up to stop it, but I still felt physically drained.

All the best to you.

whispers: beyond dreaming

Thats all I have to say.

That's funny.. that's where I thought you should be..

in my first lucid dream, when i first became lucid, i got kind of dizzy like i was losing my energy, but then i shouted increase lucidity and it worked. i don't know if thats relevant to what you all are talking about, but i don't really know what you mean by energy.

Hey Chevalier! Haven't been on in ages but really glad the singing helped. :

Crap or not, LD does take energy. Sometimes quite a lot.

hei, i mean, even studying maths does! no reason to quarrel that bad about "what kind of energy" and "how it works". it simply does. positive.

only thing i can think about, try to hold the dream a little less strict. if you try to control every single leaf on the trees, you'll resist like seconds and than sleep hours. (or at leas i would).

I'm thinking you just had a not so good dream and didn't get enough sleep.

I think the conscience is pure energy, but how can you lose energy in a realm that is made from pure energy?

Originally Posted by italianmonkey

Crap or not, LD does take energy. Sometimes quite a lot.

hei, i mean, even studying maths does! no reason to quarrel that bad about "what kind of energy" and "how it works". it simply does. positive.

only thing i can think about, try to hold the dream a little less strict. if you try to control every single leaf on the trees, you'll resist like seconds and than sleep hours. (or at leas i would).
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That's true.

Good post