Thread: A Time Theory

I think dreams share much in common with the psychedelic experience. For example whatever you expect, is, because they both take place in the mind. Everyone who has had a psychedelic experience can testify that one second can be one lifetime. Time simply does not exist as we know it in this state. I'm not sure where I'm going with this though, partly because the experience can't be put into words [/cliché].

Robert Monroe report he lived 100 years in a 2 hour OBE. I am tring to find where he actually publicize this. Does anybody know the referrence to this? or is it fake? and is he creditable?

Is he a famous Lucid dreamer dude? I started researching lucid laterly so i dont know much.

Originally Posted by Jess

I think dreams share much in common with the psychedelic experience. For example whatever you expect, is, because they both take place in the mind. Everyone who has had a psychedelic experience can testify that one second can be one lifetime. Time simply does not exist as we know it in this state. I'm not sure where I'm going with this though, partly because the experience can't be put into words [/cliché].[/b]

Oh true. I get this a lot with nitrous more so than LSD or 'shrooms. Nitrous, two whippets, will send me to infinity with all the answers.

Then I come back after forever with nothing. Goddam it, I hate that damn drug. Lol.

it is definatley not possible. first of all... you cant be in REM for more then 90 minutes... and actually i am not going to waste my time telling you the other 50 problems.

Originally Posted by FluBB

it is definatley not possible. first of all... you cant be in REM for more then 90 minutes... and actually i am not going to waste my time telling you the other 50 problems.[/b]

Why is it not possible? You've never had a dream that seemed to go longer than ninety minutes?

ALL time is subjective. What's 'real' time? There is only NOW.

And as Merlock et al have pointed out, the quantity of experience you can fit into a particular time-frame in waking life is limited by the speed of our bodies and perceptual organs. In dreaming the only limit is the speed of thought - whatever that may be. A whole converstation that might take 5mins in WL could be compressed into milliseconds. So I think I dissagree about the film metaphor where time is compressed by editing as the only explanation - although this happens for sure as well. A dream could be more like running the film faster - but still percieving it running at normal speed. A WL example might be speed reading - you can read much faster than you can speak. The world speed reading record is 150,000 words per minute, thats 3.6 pages per second, with 95% comprehension!!! I'm guessing that 3.6 pages could be a 5+ minute conversation so thats a 300% compression!

This happened to me...
My girlfriend poked my foot with her fingernail (to be funny I think), whilst I was asleep and I invented a whole cover story, about walking down to a pond where a crocodile came up out of the water and bit my foot - so that the perceived pain of the poke coincided with and explained the bite. The 5 second dream story was created in milliseconds (the time it took to process the pain signal.)

Originally Posted by The

Why is it not possible? You've never had a dream that seemed to go longer than ninety minutes?[/b]

yes i have... but the fact remains... rem doesnt last 90 minutes... its impossible. you cant all of a sudden age your brain or self longer then you actually are living. unless everyone else decides to travel at the speed of light.. or something like that.

Some of yoiu are really thinking to critically, your way over thinking the general concept of this disscussion, heres my thoughts:

1. time is relative, there is no past, there is no future there is only now, the whole concept of "time" is just something to keep track of events that happen in day to day life

2. Some of you aren't giving your brain enough credit, the brain is such a complex and mysterious part of our bodies, there is no measured limit to its abilities, only the limit that we ourselves put upon it, our "brain" can absorb and process information faster than our "minds" can handle, but in the dream world its like your mind catches up with your brain

I think I could write forever about this, but I dont have that much time, (lol, time, nice pun i think) so thats all Ill say for now, but quit saying what your mind and brain cant do, and try to find out more that it can

Originally Posted by FluBB

it is definatley not possible. first of all... you cant be in REM for more then 90 minutes... and actually i am not going to waste my time telling you the other 50 problems.[/b]

i've had dreams that seemed to last days, and it was really weird when I woke up. It was like I kept forgetting that it was tuesday and I thought it was thursday cause it felt like days had gone by. it's not like it's anything totally out of the ordinary, that's happened to my friends too and my brother. The mind can do some amazing things, whose to say your subconcious cant think so quickly that a minutes worth of thinking can take seconds.

Originally Posted by sajetako

While reading some other discussion about time in dreams i came up with this...

What if one would, while LDing, (lets say accidently) decrease the speed of time in dreams by 1000 000 000 000 times not knowing how to set the time back to normal. So one minute in reality would last 1000 000 000 000 minutes in his dreams. So he would be stuck in that dreams for eternity (or at least for a very long period), though in real life it would last just a few seconds. He would than die in sleep, becouse his brain would be like 120 years old and tottaly exhausted.

Do you think it is possible?[/b]

I'm sure you could find some way to wake yourself up. If not, then I would just enjoy the really long lucid dream and do things that would normally wake me up in a normal lucid. Then either i would wake up or enjoy a once in a lifetime experience. it would all work out... except i dont know how you could adapt to life afterward if you couldn't wake yourself up for a year or something