Thread: Murder, Dream Freedom, And Where T Draw The Line

I know all the people I am reading are only teen agers and it is a SCIENTIFIC FACT that your brains are emotional rather than rational but what you are doing is basicly training yourself from a young age to think that violence is all right. I was just reading a book where therapists no longer are using those techniques where they ask their patients to vent their anger by hitting stuff because it does not solve the problem. The anger has only been temporarily stopped, not the reasons for it being solved.

You might try exorsicing the rational part of your brains and asking yourselves why you like violence so much that you actually want to cause that reaction in you again and again and if there could not be a better way to get your high.

I speak thusly after reading this book on anger and trying to remember to be compassionate. So this is my way of trying to make the world better. So here is an example of what it is that bothers me so much with your violent-loving minds.

We all know that a drug user uses more and more and more and more frequently in order to get the same high as the first one. As the body becomes more and more sensitized, I think that is the right word, it is harder for the drug to make the person high as before so more and more is required.

If you continue to allow violence to be a source of enjoyment and say that it is all right can you confidently say that this will not leak over into other areas of your life? Can you handle real problems and not get angry? Can you get the same high again and again and not get bored and seek other ways of raising the same stimuli? Would just killing in dreams remain satisfying? And why on Earth, or any other world, would you feel that violence is exciting?

And more to the point: how on Earth are we supposed to stop war, hatred, 'us and them' thinking and other behaviors that only cause problems?

Aggression is not fun nor should it ever be promoted as fun. Shame on video game makers.

just to add to your point I think this quote fits quite nicely;
“All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think we become.” - Buddha

Bushido

Originally Posted by dreamship

We all know that a drug user uses more and more and more and more frequently in order to get the same high as the first one. As the body becomes more and more sensitized, I think that is the right word, it is harder for the drug to make the person high as before so more and more is required.[/b]

Comparing drugs to violence makes no sense at all. Drugs are addictive substances that were outlawed by the government for a reason. Drugs cannot be handled by a rational person in theory because of the strong addiction they hold over you. But violence, on the other hand has no addictive effect on people whatsoever, and a rational normal person knows the difference between make believe violence and real violence. People become addicted to drugs because they can't live without them, i've never heard of anyone who couldn't live without violence. Violence on tv or video games is just a choice, some people like watching movies like Saw and other people like watching American Idol. If you sing too much is that bad for you too? It's just preference, please stop taking it past that.

Originally Posted by Wasted24

Comparing drugs to violence makes no sense at all. Drugs are addictive substances that were outlawed by the government for a reason. Drugs cannot be handled by a rational person in theory because of the strong addiction they hold over you. But violence, on the other hand has no addictive effect on people whatsoever,[/b]

Somehow I think you are wrong on that. One day I'll google for a report on it. It would seem to me that if sex can be considered addictive then violence can be also. If it wasn't, we wouldn't have tons and tons of violent music and video games and people who play them constantly.

Playing violent music, or any music, and video games causes chemical changes in the brain. It feeds that excited energy in the player. In order to continue having this high they continue to rage to their music or their games or whatever it is that gets them into that state.

This is addiction.

Whatever.

I have mentioned it. If no one wants to listen I can't help that. You've got parents, let them be your parent.


EDIT: http://www.indianchild.com/computer_games_addiction.htm

http://www.medialit.org/reading_room/article389.html

Originally Posted by Wasted24

Comparing drugs to violence makes no sense at all. Drugs are addictive substances that were outlawed by the government for a reason. Drugs cannot be handled by a rational person in theory because of the strong addiction they hold over you. But violence, on the other hand has no addictive effect on people whatsoever[/b]

(Not to get off on a tangent, but...)
I think someone should go ahead and tell us the reason that the government outlaws "drugs" (not the one that make big money, though). Rational people can and often do "handle" drugs of every kind. Yes, some do lose control and suffer ill effects, but it should be every citizen's right to choose his or her own pleasures as long as the risks are made clear. As they used to say, "it's a free country".

I think it is reasonable though to say that raping and violently slaughtering people in disgusting ways is going a bit far, as that cannot be healthy for your brain, and is just sick[/b]

As someone who has committed rape a few times in dreams (well, sex without asking consent, which is rape), I don't agree that it's just sick. I have enough confidence in my moral sense to have no fear of imaginary acts.

Originally Posted by drb0505

Rational people can and often do "handle" drugs of every kind.[/b]

Yea, thats why i said "in theory".

Originally Posted by drb0505

As someone who has committed rape a few times in dreams (well, sex without asking consent, which is rape), I don't agree that it's just sick. I have enough confidence in my moral sense to have no fear of imaginary acts.[/b]

I am reffereing more to reallly violent, gross rape like you hear about on the 10 o'clock news. Just having sex without their consent in a dream is no big deal if you're not being sick and violent about it in my opinion. I just personally think that there is no need to rape someone in a dream, when you can make them want it instead. I guess in reality there is no difference between doing it without consent, and controlling their mind so they want it, but if I were to have Lucid sex, it would somehow get rid of any moral regret afterwards if I made the person want it, instead of just raping them.