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      Okay I haven't tried to WILD in a long long time. I've never before been successfull allthough I beliueve I came pretty close a couple of times. Those times were always in the night, when I didn't want to actually WILD, but still wanted to remain aware as I fell asleep at night anywayz.


      These couple of times, and I experienced such Vision last night too, are usually Realistic, immersive, 3 dimentional Images with alot of Depth and high light levels. Most common for me to see are my hands in first person perspective doing something, or Circles and clouds of Smoke rising in front of my eyes; Both with incredible Depth and dramatically increased realism. I am certain that these are the first DreamImages that develop out of simple hypnagogic hallucinations: Colored blobs and bright stripes..etc

      Now here's my problem with these short lived hyperrealistic DreamImages:
      As soon as I become fully aware of the newly formed DreamScenes they Vanish!. As if the Moment that my attention shifts to the DreamEnviroment I was beholding lowly conscious for some time it suddenly falls appart like an illusion.
      A very convincingly realistic Illusion I must say. Sometimes, without even knwowing it, I find myself all participating in this DreamEnviroment, my mind being fully occucpied with things I am doing in there. In dreams I'm always so busy. But the moment that I "Snap out of it", become aware of my enviroment and that is is a Dream; SHOOWSH! gone. I have maybe 2,5 seconds left to behold the DreamScene Consciously before it just falls appart into darkness and random, simple hypnagogia.

      I've heard of people saying that they watched these DreamImages with a sort of "Desinterrest" and sort of Disconnected of it. Like they were not involved in the dreamscene but that they were just Watching it as an non-participating Observer. Now I have no clue as to how to put myself in such an Observer roll that I can continue to Consciously watch these DreamScenes from while the DreamScenes keep developping further and further into a fully immersive, realistic, 3D, interactive DreamScene. I was wondering if anyone could help me as to how to be able to enter those, Just formed, Dream scenes without them falling appart as I become aware of them.
      Anyone?

      I mean to make a List of Techniques as to where to go from the stage I get with WILDing. It may be helpfull to alot of Dreamers.

      PJ's technique:
      First, it isn't something I can always do, but when I'm "in the zone," it's easy. I've been looking at those circumstances that seem favorable to it, which I've identified mostly as mornings after I've already had an LD or two. I have never once pulled this off right on going to bed at night - but I have a couple times during mid-day naps.

      When it works, it goes like this; I concentrate as intensely as possible on the HI. For me, it starts out as blobby lights and patterns, which then start resolving into 2d images, and from there into 3d images. Once the 3d stuff starts, I have to be careful, because if I "hold on" too tight the same thing happens to me that you experience. So right at that point, I have to allow myself to "lose it" - briefly. I don't know how else to explain this.

      When it works right, I then find myself fully in the dream - and immediately remembering that I'm dreaming. The trick then is to establish my "dream body" and then start interacting.

      That's one of my WILD experiences. A very different one has me laying there without HI - concentrating on my body and the sensations as it goes to sleep. When this works, it results in an experience that could easily be confused with an OBE... I literally get up out of my sleeping body in the same room and go into dreamland from there. (I've done the tests for OBE and they always fail.) I can exercise typical lucid control in these dreams.[/b]
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      not to overestimate the Value of our Concrete Knowledge;"Common sense"/Rationality,
      for doing so would make us Blind for the unimaginable, unparalleled Capacity of and Wisdom contained within our Felt Knowledge;Subconscious Intuition.

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      Ah... ended up replying to this in the other thread. I guess we'll continue this most worthy conversation there!
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      Allright thanks. I'll make a sort of Tutorial out of this Topic then. I'll add your Suggestions and Techniques to a list of all people who can post their own successfull techniques regarding my first post.

      That way we can get different people, with different minds to tell their exact technique to Enter developping DreamScenes while staying consciously aware. And hopefully some suggestions as to how I can make the DreamScene STAY while I am aware of it.

      If there's alot of people posting their ideas there's oughta be one amongst them that is pretty similar minded to you and thus you may find that their techniques are more practical for you.
      Luminous Spacious Dream Masters That Holographically Communicate
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      not to overestimate the Value of our Concrete Knowledge;"Common sense"/Rationality,
      for doing so would make us Blind for the unimaginable, unparalleled Capacity of and Wisdom contained within our Felt Knowledge;Subconscious Intuition.

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      Quote Originally Posted by SKA View Post
      If there's alot of people posting their ideas there's oughta be one amongst them that is pretty similar minded as you and thus you may find that their techniques are more practical for you.[/b]
      That would be great.

      I've related this experience to the description in Jonathan Livingston Seagull of him learning to teleport. If you think about it, you can't do it. You sort of have to just already know you are going to end up there and go.
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      nice one SKA, i have tried WILDs so many times before and never got to that stage, maybe its me being to excited but for sure i need to have some more lucid dreams before trying WILDs again, just to rid myself of the excitedness. well done though, your progressing with it


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      Okay I added PJ's technique as the first to the list. Keep em comming Kids!
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      among other teachers taught me

      not to overestimate the Value of our Concrete Knowledge;"Common sense"/Rationality,
      for doing so would make us Blind for the unimaginable, unparalleled Capacity of and Wisdom contained within our Felt Knowledge;Subconscious Intuition.

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      Now here's my problem with these short lived hyperrealistic DreamImages:
      As soon as I become fully aware of the newly formed DreamScenes they Vanish!. As if the Moment that my attention shifts to the DreamEnviroment I was beholding lowly conscious for some time it suddenly falls appart like an illusion.
      A very convincingly realistic Illusion I must say. Sometimes, without even knwowing it, I find myself all participating in this DreamEnviroment, my mind being fully occucpied with things I am doing in there. In dreams I'm always so busy. But the moment that I "Snap out of it", become aware of my enviroment and that is is a Dream; SHOOWSH! gone. I have maybe 2,5 seconds left to behold the DreamScene Consciously before it just falls appart into darkness and random, simple hypnagogia.[/b]
      The key to success - in my own experiences - is to take a passive approach. Try to be aware of the imagery but don't try to actively observe it or connect with it. Hypnagogic imagery is very delicate. Rather than trying to jump on board, remain disconnected and allow it to carry you away. It's like with quantum mechanics: The act of intentional observation can spoil the subject under test.

      Play the part of uninvolved stander-by and don't try to get involved. That's the best way to get involved, ironically.

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