Thread: The levels of lucidity.

[UPDATE!]

I was just able to get my post updated by a mod (thanks PJ) and my internet dies... XD. Figures. It was a problem with my router. My router randomly died and my computer rebooted.. (WTF?)

Anyways, I rewrote/revised pretty much everything. Most of it will actually make sense now to those that didn't get it. I'm gonna take comments then i'll probably do a small, final revision and sumbit it as a tut on the weekend.

But dam.. it's sexy now XD

Let me note that in the pre-lucid, or semi-lucid, state you may suspect you're dreaming or even think you're probably dreaming but fail to become lucid due to failure to perform an RC or a failed RC.

I've had several dreams in which I suspected a dream but for one reason or another I did a half-@ssed reality check or simply decided to wait to confirm that I'm dreaming. These cases did not result in lucidity but, the notion did occur to my conscious mind.

It's often said that if you think you're dreaming then you are. That's a good rule of thumb but it does not guarantee that the suspicion will bootstrap lucidity.

From my experience, there are only a few practical states that I can discern in dreaming.

non-lucid. I don't realize I am dreaming.
semi-lucid. I realize I am dreaming, but I remain distracted and do not take advantage of the situation, or fall into an automatic behavior without deliberation (yaaaaayyyy! I can fly! ). Basically, no self-control.
lucid. I know I am dreaming, and I have some modicum of self-control. I don't wake up, and I don't lose lucidity.

Then, there is the matter of self-control, which I usually rate based on how long I can keep myself in the lucid state.

I think percentages are meaningless, really, to the average lucid dreamer. It boils down to how long you can keep up a true lucid state, and what you manage to do in the dream.

Bump for great justice.

Good list arby I had a similiar Ladder of levels of lucidity although I think mine contained about 6 or something yet it was pretty much the same as yours I just clumped together things that were pretty much the same although you went into a lot of detail very good I am sure this will help a lot of people out.

great list I'm more around the 93% range most of the time. I dont think ive ever had 20% before.

Just a picture that resulted form another topic that shows the levels on a visual basis =O

Wow. You guys have way too much time on your hands. I thought the list was interesting, and made some good points. It made me think about dreams that I've experienced, and how much understanding/control I've had in them. But I guess my self-tought techniques are a bit crude, but effective. I find all the back and forth banter interesting, but distracting from the whole point. This stuff isn't about numbers, definitions, and classifications. That stuff is for the waking world. Sleepy-time should be about personal discovery and adventure, or just having a blast. Anyway, that's my reaction to all this. Carry on the discussion.

Originally Posted by Loner

Wow. You guys have way too much time on your hands. I thought the list was interesting, and made some good points. It made me think about dreams that I've experienced, and how much understanding/control I've had in them. But I guess my self-tought techniques are a bit crude, but effective. I find all the back and forth banter interesting, but distracting from the whole point. This stuff isn't about numbers, definitions, and classifications. That stuff is for the waking world. Sleepy-time should be about personal discovery and adventure, or just having a blast. Anyway, that's my reaction to all this. Carry on the discussion.

If we didn't have numbers and definitions than we would have nothing to go off of.

Originally Posted by Loner

Sleepy-time should be about personal discovery and adventure, or just having a blast.

I couldn't agree with you more. Unfortunately, lots of people need something laid out before them first. I just wanted to set things on a easy-to-understand scale so people can understand whats going on.

That, and its makes classifying/understanding/sharing your dreams so much easier if you can see where it falls. You use this in the morning, after you've had the dream to figure out what the hell just happened.

Originally Posted by Loner

It made me think about dreams that I've experienced, and how much understanding/control I've had in them.

Now keep that in mind...

I find all the back and forth banter interesting, but distracting from the whole point. This stuff isn't about numbers, definitions, and classifications. That stuff is for the waking world.

Interesting, you are awake now yet you are talking and thinking about dreams. Huh, sounds like it's about more than "sleep-time", doesn't it? If you bring dreams into the waking world and discuss dreams (which is what this forum is all about) then how is it so crazy to have some sort of standard by which it's possible to compare the relative level of lucidity?

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

Interesting, you are awake now yet you are talking and thinking about dreams. Huh, sounds like it's about more than "sleep-time", doesn't it? If you bring dreams into the waking world and discuss dreams (which is what this forum is all about) then how is it so crazy to have some sort of standard by which it's possible to compare the relative level of lucidity?

Hehe.. what he said..

(damn my inability to express it properly)

Update!

Long overdue but now I'm finally really happy with this thread. I'm gonna go and see if I can get this through as a tut now too.

- added the jot notes to improve the organization and flow
- re-wrote the sections that made 0 sense to even me when I re-read them

for me its usually all or nothing...thats just how my mind works

i like this thread..
it makes some kind of clear, to look how far i had gone.. or i could...
it also can add a wish to continue...

How informative.

this rating system puts me at about 94%, I can have fairly frequent lucid dreams I just have to work on my control for now... flyings no problem but causes me to lose control, I can stay lucid but my actions are more or less up to what my mind whats to do, not what I want to do...

wow i have ld 110% ! Good!

and 120% ?

The highest levels of lucidity are the most overwhelming and profound human experiences I know of!

For me, periods of intense emotion stress or distress seem to be the main trigger,... or at least it increases the frequency of these types of lucid dreams. As I get older (50 now) the frequency is also increasing. I'm currently having about 30 per year.

They raise a lot of questions while they occur and afterwards,... What am I? Where am I? What is the substance and nature of this "reality"? What's holding it all together? What should I do with it? What does it mean?

I have low level lucid dreams most every night now, which I don't really give as much thought to.

Since for "Who I Am", periods of intense emotional stress seem to be the main trigger for high level lucid dreams, there is a very high price to pay for those experiences,... divorce, raising troubled teens and young adults, physical aging, death of loved ones, marital stress, etc.. There seems to be a trade off.

Who in their right mind would seek out intense emotional stress for the experience of high level lucid dreams? Not me!

I've often wondered if the high level lucid dreams and dreams in general aren't some kind of natural defense or healing mechanisms. They have helped me get through rough times, by giving me another perspective on life and questioning what is real and unreal,... what is temporal and what is eternal.

It's not a game for children, for amusement... or to be taken lightly.

Hmm, this certainly clears up one thing about my thread:

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...153#post987153

Thanks! I think I had a 30% - 40% dream there...

I think this thread should be put to the tutorials section