Thread: if LDing is real then what about. . .

Unlike some of those other things that you mentioned, lucid dreaming actually does have some research and scientific backing behind it. Lucid dreaming is legitimately accepted among psychologists and is even used in therapy. I had a professor who told me so. She's a Ph.D (or M.D, which is a psychologist?)

An unlike some other things like telekinesis and ESP, it isn't all that difficult to imagine LDing. The dream is within your own mind and you mind creates awareness. Why couldn't they cross?

I think you guys are missing the point. Sure, there's scientific evidence now, but what about 30 years ago?

If you guys had lived back then, you wouldn't have accepted lucid dreaming because the scientific community said it was impossible and because there was no sold proof. And you would have missed out on something wonderful. So would have I.

So, the question Needcatscan is proposing is: Could we be missing out on other equally wonderful things because of prejudices in the scientific community and society as a whole?

At least, that's my take on it.

well naikou, that is a valid point...but

during those times, "science" isn't always nessisarally scientific. the sun orbited the earth..but we didn't have any proof. atoms were indivisible because that theory had been around for as long as people could remember. today's scientific community is a more experiment driven community than it was before.

so although i understand your point, we are more analytical now. it's not so much prejudice from the scientific community because it doesn't fit in with everything else, so much as is that testing has been done and found little to no evidence.

Originally Posted by Leumas13

during those times, "science" isn't always nessisarally scientific. the sun orbited the earth..but we didn't have any proof. atoms were indivisible because that theory had been around for as long as people could remember. today's scientific community is a more experiment driven community than it was before.

I'm talking about the 1960's and 70's. Not only had we discovered that the earth orbited the sun, but we had traveled to the moon. Not only did we know that atoms were divisible, but we had created nuclear weapons. And yet, Lucid Dreaming was still rejected.

@ Marvo and weelilhazel: Yeah, I know, I mentioned that in my first post. But obviously, there are millions/billions of people who have never experienced LD'ing (or don't remember doing so), and because of that they refuse to believe in Lucid Dreaming, even with concrete scientific evidence.

So yeah, people like us are the lucky ones, in that regard. But it's possible that we have not experienced some other phenomena, and I think it would be unwise to completely reject all phenomena that we haven't experienced. I'm not saying that I believe in ESP, aliens, time travelers, and so forth; I'm just suggesting that there could be things science has passed by - like lucid dreaming was - and is waiting to be discovered.

I dont understand what you mean by NOT real??? How is lucid dreaming NOT real if there are thousands of people doing it? Of course its all in your mind but thats exactly what it is. We artn saying its actually happning in real life (i dont think at least) so I guess you could say its not real in the physical sense. But it is REAL since you have to train your body.

How does this sound if someone were to come up and tell you it.

"O ya BOB I just had a really nice lucid dream last night! But Gooly g wiz those lucid dreams arnt real. But I just had one, let me tell you it was great. But not real of course"

But ya, maybe im just confused on what you mean?

Originally Posted by naikou

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I don't think lucid dreaming ever was rejected. Too few just knew about it. None of my friends, or people I've been talking to have rejected it, or said that I'm making up all the stuff. They just don't find it interesting, since "it's just dreams".

Originally Posted by Marvo

I don't think lucid dreaming ever was rejected. Too few just knew about it. None of my friends, or people I've been talking to have rejected it, or said that I'm making up all the stuff. They just don't find it interesting, since "it's just dreams".

If they only knew. . .

I tried telling one of my coworkers yesterday. . .
"Have you ever woken up in a dream before? Become completely aware that you were dreaming and it feeling almost like reality?"
Lee: "Oh yeah! Like a couple months ago I dreamed Connie (our boss) was really mad at me and I thought it was so real that I asked her if she was upset with me when I came into work"
That's where I just shook my head and gave up.


And I agree with scientists knowing a lot about sleep and the REM stage and so on, so I guess LDing isn't quite on the same level as the other paranormal things.
I still wish I could move things with my mind though.

Originally Posted by Needcatscan

I still wish I could move things with my mind though.

There is a site that lists alot of useful techniques, just not that Damn Psi-wheel. These guys have been open since 2000.
http://psipog.net/home.html

They also have a media section. Psychokinesis Varies on the person though, it's like Lucid dreaming. Some people can do it the first time they try, others it takes a while.

Originally Posted by naikou

I think you guys are missing the point. Sure, there's scientific evidence now, but what about 30 years ago?

If you guys had lived back then, you wouldn't have accepted lucid dreaming because the scientific community said it was impossible and because there was no sold proof. And you would have missed out on something wonderful. So would have I.

So, the question Needcatscan is proposing is: Could we be missing out on other equally wonderful things because of prejudices in the scientific community and society as a whole?

At least, that's my take on it.

Incorrect.

I've had several spontanious lucid dreams throughout my life, and they came before I was even aware of lucid dreaming. That's more than enough proof to me.

Lucid dreaming makes perfect sense to me, however, telekenisis and all powerfull devine beings do not.

Incorrect.

I've had several spontanious lucid dreams throughout my life, and they came before I was even aware of lucid dreaming. That's more than enough proof to me.

Lucid dreaming makes perfect sense to me, however, telekenisis and all powerfull devine beings do not.

Same here. I've had lucid dreams before I even knew what they were, so I would have accepted it.