Thread: OOBE's proved wrong

Originally Posted by BillyBob_001

I too thought about this the first time I read LaBerge's book.

I came to the conclusion that that experiment proved nothing.
So maybe it is very unlikely that one would remember a sequence of eye movements in a dreamstate. So what? That doesn't prove that its impossible in any way.


I'd have to say that if I were a skeptic and had never had a lucid experience this "evidence" would crumble pretty much instantly before my logical mind's methods of deduction.
Its actually a pretty shoddy excuse for proof if ever I've seen one.

You can't really prove or disprove lucid dreaming though, its just impossible (with todays scientific instruments)
Much like OOBEs.

He must have done it somehow. I mean you're probably not the first person to question it, and I'm sure people questioned him when he did these experiments, but I mean he was allowed to do a PhD on this. Hmm I really don't know, but I should find out more about this.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

He must have done it somehow. I mean you're probably not the first person to question it, and I'm sure people questioned him when he did these experiments, but I mean he was allowed to do a PhD on this. Hmm I really don't know, but I should find out more about this.

I just thought about it a bit more in-depth.
it would be a little harder to disregard the eye movements as random if they corresponded precisely with a radical change in brainwave patterns (lucidity)

I never read this exactly, although I believe he said in the book that the subjects were to make the eye movements the moment they got lucid.


That still wouldn't "prove" anything though. Like I said earlier: its impossible to prove (completely and totally) anything to do with the mind at this point...

Originally Posted by BillyBob_001

I just thought about it a bit more in-depth.
it would be a little harder to disregard the eye movements as random if they corresponded precisely with a radical change in brainwave patterns (lucidity)

I never read this exactly, although I believe he said in the book that the subjects were to make the eye movements the moment they got lucid.


That still wouldn't "prove" anything though. Like I said earlier: its impossible to prove (completely and totally) anything to do with the mind at this point...

That's true. So then I guess all we can do is focus on what can and can't be shown.