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      OOBE's proved wrong

      http://youtube.com/watch?v=714AS39CQ_I

      I knew it, there's no such thing as Near Death or Out of Body experiences.

      Apparently all they are, are extremely vivid and dreamlike delusional hallucinations due to nutrient and blood loss from the brain. So... the ultimate lucid dreams.
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      Try searching for 'God Proved Wrong' videos. Im sure theres a few also

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      Yeah I completely agree with that video. It was a little disturbing to see all those people pass out though.

      And anyway, it's even called "near" death experiences. That's all they are. They aren't called "death experiences after which people have been brought back to life."

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      my very first LD was an OBE and it scared the fkn shit out of me

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      Think, you can not PROVE lucid dreams exist! I defy you to prove lucid dreams exist! If you believe in something that outlandish why doubt those who say they do have OOBE?
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      Quote Originally Posted by sivason View Post
      Think, you can not PROVE lucid dreams exist! I defy you to prove lucid dreams exist! If you believe in something that outlandish why doubt those who say they do have OOBE?
      Actually you can show that you can be given a task and remember to do that task once you are asleep. LaBerge did experiments where he made up some eye movement patterns for his subjects to do, and they remembered to do them once they were asleep. He was able to see their physical eyes move in those patterns while the subject was asleep.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant View Post
      Actually you can show that you can be given a task and remember to do that task once you are asleep. LaBerge did experiments where he made up some eye movement patterns for his subjects to do, and they remembered to do them once they were asleep. He was able to see their physical eyes move in those patterns while the subject was asleep.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant View Post
      Actually you can show that you can be given a task and remember to do that task once you are asleep. LaBerge did experiments where he made up some eye movement patterns for his subjects to do, and they remembered to do them once they were asleep. He was able to see their physical eyes move in those patterns while the subject was asleep.
      Yup, LDs are scientifically proven. HA! OBE's do happen, but they're not really... out of body. Same with NDE's.
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      Quote Originally Posted by lvlindless View Post
      http://youtube.com/watch?v=714AS39CQ_I

      I knew it, there's no such thing as Near Death or Out of Body experiences.

      Apparently all they are, are extremely vivid and dreamlike delusional hallucinations due to nutrient and blood loss from the brain. So... the ultimate lucid dreams.
      weird I just used that term ultimate lucid dream..

      anyway, sounds like science proved that OBEs do exist
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      and anyway, just like God just being in our brains... it's all stupid, because just because science shows that there is a scientific explanation it doesn't mean God or out-of-body experiences don't have spiritual relevence... duh?

      OBEs aren't proof of the afterlife and they are like dreams, but I believe both could have spiritual significance
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      Penn and Teller are hypocrites too...
      they say people bank off of OBE accounts, but they're the ones "out to make a buck", making a big pretentious statement that OBEs are "BULLSHIT". Because they know it means something to people, and it doesn't to them (because they half think it) and they profit off the big stink of "debunking spirituality".

      These guys make athiests look really bad.
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      Quote Originally Posted by jamous View Post
      Penn and Teller are hypocrites too...
      they say people bank off of OBE accounts, but they're the ones "out to make a buck", making a big pretentious statement that OBEs are "BULLSHIT". Because they know it means something to people, and it doesn't to them (because they half think it) and they profit off the big stink of "debunking spirituality".

      These guys make athiests look really bad.
      They have to pay the bills too
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      Funny how people think they know what's supposed to happen when you die, and what's not supposed to happen. They have never died before, what do they know? I call "Bullshit" on his "Bullshit" unless he's actually died.

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      Quote Originally Posted by LucidFlanders View Post
      Funny how people think they know what's supposed to happen when you die, and what's not supposed to happen. They have never died before, what do they know? I call "Bullshit" on his "Bullshit" unless he's actually died.
      He doesn't need to die himself to prove these people wrong He's not trying to show what is on "the other side", rather what happens to us when we're barely alive.

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      PROVE to me that man did not lie about his experiment. Prove to me he did not know the pattern his subjects eyes allways move in sleep and fake his results. PROVE to me that lucid dreams exist? It can not be done. PROVE to me that because near death, sufficated people see visions like OBE that they did not in fact have them or that the one thing (thier visions) disprove the possibilty of another. I think people who want to yell OBE does not exist honestly just want the world to fit thier own relious beliefs.
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      Quote Originally Posted by sivason View Post
      PROVE to me that man did not lie about his experiment. Prove to me he did not know the pattern his subjects eyes allways move in sleep and fake his results. PROVE to me that lucid dreams exist? It can not be done. PROVE to me that because near death, sufficated people see visions like OBE that they did not in fact have them or that the one thing (thier visions) disprove the possibilty of another. I think people who want to yell OBE does not exist honestly just want the world to fit thier own relious beliefs.
      And obviously you have a set of beliefs which are threatened by this video.

      As for proving lucid dreaming, read my previous post.

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      Honestly I try not to believe anything too much. I would make a cruddy member of any church. I have not seen the experiment or the OBE video. I have had what seemed to be OBE, but maybe it was just a weird lucid dream? I can buy that. No need to prove lucid dreams, just being a dumb ass, you know. Like the first post says, proof does not exist for science dorks like me. I would like to ask anyone who actually cares if OBE does not exist, if this does have something to do with religion? Honest question, hoping for honest answer. Is this thread here because some people feel OBE experiance can not be real due to thier religiuos beliefs???
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      all i can say is im a believer in God and in Jesus Christ.. There is going to be a place where we go after we die.. and about near death experiences.. I know a guy (family friend) and he is in the record books at some Chicago hospital because he was clinically dead (there were priests and family members by his bed side) and he came back alive.. now if that isnt near death, then i dont know what is....

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      Quote Originally Posted by spiritofthewolf View Post
      all i can say is im a believer in God and in Jesus Christ.. There is going to be a place where we go after we die.. and about near death experiences.. I know a guy (family friend) and he is in the record books at some Chicago hospital because he was clinically dead (there were priests and family members by his bed side) and he came back alive.. now if that isnt near death, then i dont know what is....

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      Medical advances these days can do wonders. I don't want to get into a religious argument, because that would take up 50 pages, but all I'm saying is...

      1) Lucid dreams have been scientifically proven. That means they are fact, regardless of your opinion.

      2) OBEs and NDAs haven't been proven or disproven, but the scientists experiments lead to a pretty strong hypothesis that they're in your head rather than your "soul" physically leaving your body.
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      Hmmm,,, with out getting into a religous 50 page thing,,, can you tell me if your own disbief has something to do with religion. Not what is proven, just yopur reason for caring?
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      Quote Originally Posted by sivason View Post
      Honestly I try not to believe anything too much. I would make a cruddy member of any church. I have not seen the experiment or the OBE video. I have had what seemed to be OBE, but maybe it was just a weird lucid dream? I can buy that. No need to prove lucid dreams, just being a dumb ass, you know. Like the first post says, proof does not exist for science dorks like me. I would like to ask anyone who actually cares if OBE does not exist, if this does have something to do with religion? Honest question, hoping for honest answer. Is this thread here because some people feel OBE experiance can not be real due to thier religiuos beliefs???
      Is this the question you mentioned in the other thread?

      Honestly, I personally don't care if OBEs do or do not exist. They aren't part of my life and I'm not particularly religious. I didn't place this thread here, so I can't answer the second one. But I'm pretty sure it was started because someone happened on some evidence that looked convincing and wanted to share it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by sivason View Post
      Hmmm,,, with out getting into a religous 50 page thing,,, can you tell me if your own disbief has something to do with religion. Not what is proven, just yopur reason for caring?
      Nah, it's got nothing to do with my religious beliefs. I just always found it kinda silly that OBEs and NDEs existed. It seemed way too far fetched, like you leave your body and fly up to heaven for a short while! Or you leave your body in the physical plane and wander around. Weeee!

      I'm an atheist anyway, I just don't much care for religions.
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      if reality is all quantum anyway then we haven't existed yet and this is a dream someone else is having and they don't exist either. You are a delusion, a mere hallucination of an hallucination. Enjoy your stay!
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      Quote Originally Posted by lvlindless View Post
      Medical advances these days can do wonders. I don't want to get into a religious argument, because that would take up 50 pages, but all I'm saying is...

      1) Lucid dreams have been scientifically proven. That means they are fact, regardless of your opinion.

      2) OBEs and NDAs haven't been proven or disproven, but the scientists experiments lead to a pretty strong hypothesis that they're in your head rather than your "soul" physically leaving your body.

      Also how would you prove it's your soul leaving your body, then your head? first..you will have to know what a soul is made of if there is 1, and
      then you will have to understand the functions of it wouldn't you? the Brain seems more likely because we know the brain...not the soul and how it would work with the body.
      For all we know all the things happening can be part of the soul or something. Also, with the critics they will go out of their way to disprove the soul and shove asmuch scientific crap down our throats even if
      the soul "somehow" gets proven which i got to say...it will be a LONG time if ever. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack. Neurons, and whatever else drives us to see these illusions/feel the things we do can be
      all normal things. We understand it but not every inch of detail and because the body reacts the way it does to these things doesn't mean they are fake illusions, maybe they are part of the whole thing.

      What would be the point in given a soul for the body if you cannot use the body to go whererever it is we go? or function to get to the places if you wish?
      Maybe it is an illusion and there really is nothing and life is really a mistake. 1 life and nothing after would obviously mean we are a mistake..there is no point to even exist especially if you die at or just after birth because the rest of the time it is nothingness from something forever.

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      Shared Dreams

      Alot of people have dreams where they precive other entities, like another lucid dreamer. They PRECIEVE that they are playing games with other groups of dreamers. I have those kind of dreams. Do the people who don't believe in OBE then think this is just fantasy created in the minds of dreamers. I sure have an elaborate set of long term relationships with some of these dreamers. OR LET ME SAY... I have precieved for years that many dreamers can share a common dream. Do any of you think this is just a very complex hallucination or overwhelmingly detailed self delusion?> Is it not related to OBE? I mean can shared dreams exist while OBE do not?
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