Thread: Have you met God while LDing?

I haven't had an LD yet, but I have had SP and the vibrations associated with it. I was just wondering if anyone has become aware while sleeping and had an interest in communicating with God?

Was it what you thought it would be like?

Were you able to do it?

Do you think it was real or just a vivid imagination?

Was it life changing?

Well, i haven't had a controlled dream yet, and i don't think i'd even want to talk to God in a dream -- the experience alone would be frightening, exciting, and all that good stuff. Plus you'd probably wake up from excitement.

I'd guess that talking to God in an LD would just be like talking to a disembodied voice of your own thoughts and beliefs. You may learn things about yourself from your subconscious, but it'll all be based on you, not an omnipotent being that speaks all truth. So i dunno, speaking to God in an LD might even be a little disappointing :-\

Thanks, very interesting idea.

Is there anyway that you could tell if you were talking to an omnipotent being or just your subconscious? Both would know everything about you. Both could communicate through a dream.

Is there anyway to tell the difference?

Some parts of the Bible talk about God communicating through dreams and dream symbolism. Was it just the dreamer's over active imagination or actual communication with a higher being?

How can you tell?

What test could you do to find out?

Has anyone on these boards trying communicating with God while in a lucid dream?

I wouldn't say there's a "test" in order to find out if you're talking to God. You'll probably just know when it happens. Of course comes the problem of believing your subconscious is acting as God, so you'll know, but you won't really know...do you get what i mean? lol. I'd say God wouldn't just talk with anyone; throughout the history of religions God has only talked to people important in conveying his message.

As for dream symbolism, you'll just have to go with your own faith. Don't ask yourself "did God put this here?" Instead, ask "why am i dreaming this?" and if you think it's important enough, just trust God is working in some mysterious way. If not, then your subconscious is trying to tell you something; either way, it's important.

Just remember: if you do believe God is talking to you through your dreams (whether it be an omnipotent being or your own mind), you may not like what you hear or see. Often the belief of God is associated with fear -- religions are essentially based upon not going to hell, the most fearful thing, and the fear of hell/disobeying God drives us to be good and follow our religions.

Eh, what i'm trying to say is...hmmm...there's no way of saying this without sounding cliche, but oh well. Trust your heart!

I once met and mighty being of Godly powers, and I countered it with alike powers. The dreams was not lucid during the fight, but a bit later, I became lucid. I was in complete control of myself though, so I could make portals, throw things at him with telekinesis and other stuff.

Hmm... I don't think I've ever had a LD about God, but I've had one that I was God.
I don't think it would be that interesting since it's basically your head that is creating the "God" character and it would be like talking to your inner self.

I've had only one dream with religious tones. It's not in my DV journal, because my computer went dead shortly before I had it. In a lucid, I was once searching for this dream character I met in a previous lucid dream named Koran (Islamic Bible), and was going to ask him if he was my real dream guide (I've had five dream character candidates for dream guide). As I followed him to some house, he told me he was not Koran after all, and morphed before my eyes. By now, we were already in a building--a smokeless bar. He ordered a pizza, and we began talking (eventually the pizza came). I asked him who he was, if he wasn't Koran. He said he was "the man born from the raw fruit tree." I thought that meant Adam. As soon as I thought that, he nodded. I asked him why he came. I asked if we live in dreams after death. He swallowed his bite of pizza, and said "Huh?", so I repeated the question. I woke up...

I don't think much of it. I want to believe our consciousness goes somewhere after death, but I don't accept this dream as hardcore evidence. Still, it was a very cool dream.

Originally Posted by Marvo

I once met and mighty being of Godly powers, and I countered it with alike powers. The dreams was not lucid during the fight, but a bit later, I became lucid. I was in complete control of myself though, so I could make portals, throw things at him with telekinesis and other stuff.

Wow, I just checked this thread, and either I was drunk when I made this post, or just sleepy. It's stuffed with typ0es O.o

Originally Posted by hapkidoman

Is there anyway that you could tell if you were talking to an omnipotent being or just your subconscious? Both would know everything about you. Both could communicate through a dream.

Is there anyway to tell the difference?

Some parts of the Bible talk about God communicating through dreams and dream symbolism. Was it just the dreamer's over active imagination or actual communication with a higher being?

How can you tell?

What test could you do to find out?

Personally, I would not advise using Lucid Dreams for religious/spiritual purposes. They are, by definition, a subjective world created by the dreaming mind. What one is after in seeking God is not a subjective experience that feels like God, but Objective Truth.

Furthermore, it seems to me that actively trying to use LDs to seek the Divine is a bit like divination or fortune telling. You might come in contact with unsavory supernatural forces. Then again, maybe not. It could just be purely mental, but I would rather not risk it myself.

That is not to say that God might communicate to you in a dream, but I wouldn't try to use LDing as a tool to reach the Divine. It would be better just to pray, in my opinion. If God wishes to communicate via a dream, then let Him do so.

The only way to test something like that would be to examine it in light of Revealed Truth. Even then, though, I don't think there is a way to prove that the experience comes from God.

-Lux

Originally Posted by LuxAeterna

...it seems to me that actively trying to use LDs to seek the Divine is a bit like divination or fortune telling...

...or praying...

Originally Posted by Mark75

Originally Posted by LuxAeterna
...it seems to me that actively trying to use LDs to seek the Divine is a bit like divination or fortune telling...

...or praying...

Perhaps a distinction is in order.

What I was trying to get at when I made that you quoted is that there seems to me to be the danger of an LD being viewed in the spiritual context in the same way as divination or fortune telling. That is, as an aqcuired skill that gives us special, secret power to contact the divine by our own ability.

Man, and I am speaking throughout from my Catholic perspective--man is not capable of reaching God of his own power. To try to use LDing to reach God is different from prayer because in prayer we kneel, and God comes down to us and communicates to us. When we use these other methods to reach God, it strikes me as us trying to reach up to him.

How can a speck of its own power reach up and touch what is infinitely greater and higher than that speck? To presume to do so seems to suggest--to my mind--a kind of spiritual pride.

Again, this is not to say that God cannot reach us in dreams, but just that we shouldn't look on dreaming as a special and powerful way to "break through" to God. Nor am I saying that LDing can't be used as a form of prayer--I only think that caution is in order because of the highly subjective nature of the dream state.

-Lux

Originally Posted by LuxAeterna

Man, and I am speaking throughout from my Catholic perspective--man is not capable of reaching God of his own power. To try to use LDing to reach God is different from prayer because in prayer we kneel, and God comes down to us and communicates to us. When we use these other methods to reach God, it strikes me as us trying to reach up to him.

And when you dream you (usually) lie down.

How do you know it isn't your subconscious mind filling a desire for god to be there by answering yourself in your prayers in exactly the same way it is in a dream? Does god tell you when to pray?

Originally Posted by LuxAeterna

--man is not capable of reaching God of his own power.
-Lux

that is a really depressing belief. sometimes when i have a lucid, i am so overjoyed by the beauty of the moment, that i just kind of send out a "thank you god! I love you!". I feel a divine presence which i know to be my creator. let me just say that i am not a christian. i don't attempt to define or personify the creator; i just believe in him/her/it/whatever. some higher power put us here. when i am lucid i feel very close to that higher power.

Originally Posted by LuxAeterna

Personally, I would not advise using Lucid Dreams for religious/spiritual purposes. They are, by definition, a subjective world created by the dreaming mind. What one is after in seeking God is not a subjective experience that feels like God, but Objective Truth.

If one can believe in the existence of an omnipotent God, then surely it wouldn't be much of a stretch for them to believe in a spiritual side to dreams as well.

I don't believe in a monotheistic god of any sort - but I must say that lucid dreaming has caused me to look again at the staunchly atheistic view i once held.

hey,

I do believe there is a divine existence.

I do think you can contact it in both waking and dreaming life.

I don't think you could tell the difference between dream and waking life spiritual experiences.

I don't think these differences exist.

Were you able to do it?

yes, in waking life. Actually happens all the time. Use your ears. Just my two cents.

Do you think it was real or just a vivid imagination?

I think you should cross out the little word "or" - and there you are...

I think that there's a essential truth revealed when you look for God in a dream and find yourself looking into the mirror.


OT remarks about topics touched upon in this discussion:
- I think God answers all prayers with acceptance and affirmation - the problem is that most people are not aware of what they are praying for

Originally Posted by KxWaal

If one can believe in the existence of an omnipotent God, then surely it wouldn't be much of a stretch for them to believe in a spiritual side to dreams as well.

I don't believe in a monotheistic god of any sort - but I must say that lucid dreaming has caused me to look again at the staunchly atheistic view i once held.

Thank you for posting that, I agree with your first paragraph very much after all, if a god is omnipotent then he can do anything that he wants.

Would you mind telling me what details about lucid dreaming made you think twice about your religious or non religious views? You said in a previous post that you were trying to find God and that you saw a mirror. That seems to happen to a lot of people, what's your view point on this?

Thanks again for the post.

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A severe mental disorder, with or without organic damage, characterized by derangement of personality and loss of contact with reality and causing deterioration of normal social functioning.

So, yeah.

Originally Posted by hapkidoman

Would you mind telling me what details about lucid dreaming made you think twice about your religious or non religious views? You said in a previous post that you were trying to find God and that you saw a mirror. That seems to happen to a lot of people, what's your view point on this?

One of the first things that made me feel this way was the experience of sleep paralysis and WILDing. I've almost always feel a "presence" - This varies from euphoric ecstasy to the most crippling feeling of malevolence I've felt.

I've also had Lucid Dreams and dreams in general where I found myself in knowledge of things I've had no way of knowing. Things that have turned out true later. This includes both remote viewing and prophetic experiences.

As for the mirror thing... A Satanist (in Anton LaVey's sense) believes that he is his own God. It's basically humanism with a fashion sense.
I agree with many of LaVey's ideas and this is one of them.

My current spiritual viewpoint is really an eclectic mix of LaVeyan Satanism, shamanism and chaos theory.

One of my core beliefs is that perception equals reality. Whether I consider this to mean that physical reality is dictated by my expectations (much like LDing) or if I consider this to mean something more philosophical (the way I view things and context can make things "seem" different or effect me differently) - I've yet to decide.

At any rate, I've begun to view dreams as every bit as important as waking life.

Sorry if this became a bit rambling or "out there". I might have just smoked too much weed tonight.

I looked in a mirror. Does that count?

I have had several dreams about meeting "god." By that I mean the devine, the higher power. All of these dreams have been lucid.

In one I was flying and decided to go see god. So I flew straight up into the sky. I few for a very long time, even leaving the earth behind. When I got there, I remember only a few things. I was held like a little child. I was safe and loved. And I had been expected.

In another I saw a representation of god. It was a parade of people singing, carrying banners of brightly colored cloth. I knew it was "god" because I could feel it.

In the last one god was funny. Krishna -- blue, but middle aged, pot-bellied, and enormously good natured. And sarcastic!! And wise, too.

Except the first one, I did not seek out a meeting with the devine. I look at these LDs as gifts. Little bits to keep me working at improving myself and the lives of others.