Thread: Have you met God while LDing?

Well, i haven't had a controlled dream yet, and i don't think i'd even want to talk to God in a dream -- the experience alone would be frightening, exciting, and all that good stuff. Plus you'd probably wake up from excitement.

I'd guess that talking to God in an LD would just be like talking to a disembodied voice of your own thoughts and beliefs. You may learn things about yourself from your subconscious, but it'll all be based on you, not an omnipotent being that speaks all truth. So i dunno, speaking to God in an LD might even be a little disappointing :-\

Thanks, very interesting idea.

Is there anyway that you could tell if you were talking to an omnipotent being or just your subconscious? Both would know everything about you. Both could communicate through a dream.

Is there anyway to tell the difference?

Some parts of the Bible talk about God communicating through dreams and dream symbolism. Was it just the dreamer's over active imagination or actual communication with a higher being?

How can you tell?

What test could you do to find out?

Has anyone on these boards trying communicating with God while in a lucid dream?

I wouldn't say there's a "test" in order to find out if you're talking to God. You'll probably just know when it happens. Of course comes the problem of believing your subconscious is acting as God, so you'll know, but you won't really know...do you get what i mean? lol. I'd say God wouldn't just talk with anyone; throughout the history of religions God has only talked to people important in conveying his message.

As for dream symbolism, you'll just have to go with your own faith. Don't ask yourself "did God put this here?" Instead, ask "why am i dreaming this?" and if you think it's important enough, just trust God is working in some mysterious way. If not, then your subconscious is trying to tell you something; either way, it's important.

Just remember: if you do believe God is talking to you through your dreams (whether it be an omnipotent being or your own mind), you may not like what you hear or see. Often the belief of God is associated with fear -- religions are essentially based upon not going to hell, the most fearful thing, and the fear of hell/disobeying God drives us to be good and follow our religions.

Eh, what i'm trying to say is...hmmm...there's no way of saying this without sounding cliche, but oh well. Trust your heart!

I once met and mighty being of Godly powers, and I countered it with alike powers. The dreams was not lucid during the fight, but a bit later, I became lucid. I was in complete control of myself though, so I could make portals, throw things at him with telekinesis and other stuff.

Hmm... I don't think I've ever had a LD about God, but I've had one that I was God.
I don't think it would be that interesting since it's basically your head that is creating the "God" character and it would be like talking to your inner self.

I've had only one dream with religious tones. It's not in my DV journal, because my computer went dead shortly before I had it. In a lucid, I was once searching for this dream character I met in a previous lucid dream named Koran (Islamic Bible), and was going to ask him if he was my real dream guide (I've had five dream character candidates for dream guide). As I followed him to some house, he told me he was not Koran after all, and morphed before my eyes. By now, we were already in a building--a smokeless bar. He ordered a pizza, and we began talking (eventually the pizza came). I asked him who he was, if he wasn't Koran. He said he was "the man born from the raw fruit tree." I thought that meant Adam. As soon as I thought that, he nodded. I asked him why he came. I asked if we live in dreams after death. He swallowed his bite of pizza, and said "Huh?", so I repeated the question. I woke up...

I don't think much of it. I want to believe our consciousness goes somewhere after death, but I don't accept this dream as hardcore evidence. Still, it was a very cool dream.

I did. I knew it was really god because of faith! God was exactly how I imagined he would be!

Originally Posted by Mark75

God was exactly how I imagined he would be!

Whoa, that's an amazing coincidence. The odds against that must really, really big.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

Whoa, that's an amazing coincidence. The odds against that must really, really big.

teehee!

Originally Posted by hapkidoman

Is there anyway that you could tell if you were talking to an omnipotent being or just your subconscious? Both would know everything about you. Both could communicate through a dream.

Is there anyway to tell the difference?

Some parts of the Bible talk about God communicating through dreams and dream symbolism. Was it just the dreamer's over active imagination or actual communication with a higher being?

How can you tell?

What test could you do to find out?

Personally, I would not advise using Lucid Dreams for religious/spiritual purposes. They are, by definition, a subjective world created by the dreaming mind. What one is after in seeking God is not a subjective experience that feels like God, but Objective Truth.

Furthermore, it seems to me that actively trying to use LDs to seek the Divine is a bit like divination or fortune telling. You might come in contact with unsavory supernatural forces. Then again, maybe not. It could just be purely mental, but I would rather not risk it myself.

That is not to say that God might communicate to you in a dream, but I wouldn't try to use LDing as a tool to reach the Divine. It would be better just to pray, in my opinion. If God wishes to communicate via a dream, then let Him do so.

The only way to test something like that would be to examine it in light of Revealed Truth. Even then, though, I don't think there is a way to prove that the experience comes from God.

-Lux

Originally Posted by LuxAeterna

...it seems to me that actively trying to use LDs to seek the Divine is a bit like divination or fortune telling...

...or praying...

I looked in a mirror. Does that count?

Originally Posted by Mark75

Originally Posted by LuxAeterna
...it seems to me that actively trying to use LDs to seek the Divine is a bit like divination or fortune telling...

...or praying...

Perhaps a distinction is in order.

What I was trying to get at when I made that you quoted is that there seems to me to be the danger of an LD being viewed in the spiritual context in the same way as divination or fortune telling. That is, as an aqcuired skill that gives us special, secret power to contact the divine by our own ability.

Man, and I am speaking throughout from my Catholic perspective--man is not capable of reaching God of his own power. To try to use LDing to reach God is different from prayer because in prayer we kneel, and God comes down to us and communicates to us. When we use these other methods to reach God, it strikes me as us trying to reach up to him.

How can a speck of its own power reach up and touch what is infinitely greater and higher than that speck? To presume to do so seems to suggest--to my mind--a kind of spiritual pride.

Again, this is not to say that God cannot reach us in dreams, but just that we shouldn't look on dreaming as a special and powerful way to "break through" to God. Nor am I saying that LDing can't be used as a form of prayer--I only think that caution is in order because of the highly subjective nature of the dream state.

-Lux

Originally Posted by LuxAeterna

Man, and I am speaking throughout from my Catholic perspective--man is not capable of reaching God of his own power. To try to use LDing to reach God is different from prayer because in prayer we kneel, and God comes down to us and communicates to us. When we use these other methods to reach God, it strikes me as us trying to reach up to him.

And when you dream you (usually) lie down.

How do you know it isn't your subconscious mind filling a desire for god to be there by answering yourself in your prayers in exactly the same way it is in a dream? Does god tell you when to pray?

It is difficult to decipher how to approach the Supreme Being in a dream, unless if you are very good at Astral Projection. But if you were to decide whether or not if you spoke to a being like Him/Her/It in your dream, believe me, you would know. When most individuals have a near death experience concerning the supreme being or an ascended being, they can't describe the feeling of just the sight of the being.

I couldn't say it was really "God".But I did meat a yellw bunny that claimed he was the Christian God. He was really cool, great conversationist, but whenever I asked him to prove anything, he would have some sort of transparent excuse.
"Blow up that kid"
"I can't. It's like, a sin dude."
"Fine, summon me a doughnut"
"Uhhhh....I can't...I'm on a diet. Summoning stuff gives me carbs."
"Then if your so almighty, magic the carbs away."
"Then....I'll......anger.....the uhh.....turkeys."

That's when my LD ended.

Originally Posted by Mark75

How do you know it isn't your subconscious mind filling a desire for god to be there by answering yourself in your prayers in exactly the same way it is in a dream? Does god tell you when to pray?

You seem to have difficulty in distinguishing your dreams from reality.

A dream is a personal, subjective construct. You created it, you control it. There are no laws but what you will.

Reality is an impersonal, objective construct. You did not create it, you cannot control it. There are laws to which you are subject.

We do not live in a dreamworld where each person gets their way.

This applies to prayer. There are personal prayers, and there are objective prayers. One can pray for peace of mind, and recieve it. Perhaps the subconcious filled that request on its own, perhaps not. But when someone prays for the healing of another person, and said request is granted against all odds and natural explaination, the subconcious cannot be given credit.

Because our subconcious controls only dreams, not reality.

Originally Posted by Mark75

And when you dream you (usually) lie down.

Very funny (not really). The actual position makes no difference, and I said that by way of symbolism. But I am sure that you knew that already.

Originally Posted by Mark75

How do you know it isn't your subconscious mind filling a desire for god to be there by answering yourself in your prayers in exactly the same way it is in a dream? Does god tell you when to pray?

Good question: how do we know that it is God when we pray? There is no easy answer, and many men and women of faith struggle with that doubt at different times in their lives. I would say this: the existence of God, and a personal one, seems to me eminently reasonable. Of course, it is unprovable, and that is where faith comes in. Obviously, there is a certain amount of faith involved in prayer. Furthermore, I think one of the elements of a developing faith is learning to discern your own mind's thoughts from what may be the promptings of the Divine.

There are people who can and do, as far as I can tell, manufacture "spiritual" experiences. I am thinking specifically about tongues or being slain in the Spirit. This is not to say that there are not genuine miraculous manifestations of the God-given ability to speak in tongues, or genuine epiphanies, but only that some Christian sects seem to rely on creating an emotional whirlwind that produces these highly subjective experiences that then are then taken as real.

I tend to be as incredulous of such religious experiences as I am of spiritual experiences in dreams. Again, discernment is required.

Dreams, however, are a more direct link to those parts of the mind that can produce such overpowering subjective experiences. I know that in dreams I often experience emotions in response to dream scenarios that are much more intense than most emotions in waking life--and these emotions are in response to false situations that my mind has made. In other words, these intense emotions are fabrications of my dreaming mind.

Such a thing is much less likely in normal prayer.

I simply advise that one approach any experience of the divine in an LD with caution and skepticism.

-Lux

No but I did have a dream before about jesus.

I still remember it vividly to this day.....

I was on a bus full of my old friends and we was headed somewhere. I was sitting in the front with a guy that was very beautiful and dark and mysterious. He had on all black basically and a black trenchcoat and had beautiful black hair and dark skin. I didn't really talk to him because he seemed weird then he talked to me by name. He told me that everyone on the bus was either a devil or angel. I asked him what he was talking about and he told me to turn around. I turned around and everyone had turned into a demon or an angel and they were all still acting regular, because I was the only one who could see the change besides him.

We all unloaded off the bus at this fair with thousands of people and there was a beautiful orange sky like the world had been set on fire and a long wooden fence that never ended with posters all over it and the fair in the backgroun behind it. I finally realized who he was and ran to him and he stopped and turned to me and said, "I knew you would figure it out Patience" and I asked him if he was jesus and he said yes. I then noticed that NO ONE was walking near us... everyone was walking around us in this big circle but didn't notice we was there. I then started asking him to keep my mammaw healthy and to keep my family happy and healthy and he looked down and shook his head and then looked back up to me and said, "Patience your mammaw is going to die -----" and I can't remember if he said Wednesday or the Wednesday on a 7th. I then started crying and beating his cheat and dropped to my knees and he caught me and help me and I begged him to take me instead.

I woke up not long after sweating and crying and panicing.

My mammaw has still yet to die but for 2 months after that every wednesday or 7th I would get very scared.

I really think it didn't mean anything....
I think it just has to do with what you believe in because I am a Southern Baptist... so I was raised to believe what I do.

If she does pass on a Wednesday or on a 7th.... I'll be sure to tell everyone

I just think it's more cool how I can still remember this dream til this day.

-patience

Originally Posted by Silvanus350

We do not live in a dreamworld where each person gets their way.

I would have to wonder, then, why it is that people claim their prayers are answered regardless of who or what they are praying to.

Originally Posted by LuxAeterna

Good question: how do we know that it is God when we pray? There is no easy answer, and many men and women of faith struggle with that doubt at different times in their lives. I would say this: the existence of God, and a personal one, seems to me eminently reasonable. Of course, it is unprovable, and that is where faith comes in. Obviously, there is a certain amount of faith involved in prayer. Furthermore, I think one of the elements of a developing faith is learning to discern your own mind's thoughts from what may be the promptings of the Divine.

So faith, then. Faith meaning belief in spite of lack of proof. Basically what you've said to me is you believe it because you believe it. You mention "learning to discern your own mind's thoughts from what may be the promptings of the Divine" but never mention specifically how you do actually go about doing that. Is that by faith, too?

Originally Posted by Mark75

I would have to wonder, then, why it is that people claim their prayers are answered regardless of who or what they are praying to.

Don't you know that god(s) say no a lot?

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

Don't you know that god(s) say no a lot?

I knew I should have put that in there... I had faith that it wouldn't come up.