Thread: Are we brainwashed?

Its whatever you want it to be.

I personally think its the inner dolpin in all of us.

Mine craves pistachios.

Originally posted by loose id
Its whatever you want it to be.

I personally think its the inner dolpin in all of us. *

Mine craves pistachios.

That is what I am not so sure of. I think there is a scientific expalnation behind everything. How your mind interperets is a differant ballgame.

i dont think "fact" exists as a universal whole. science or spiritual.

if one person thinks the imagery is science, or brain chemicals, and nothing more, than that is fact, for the person

if another thinks its a ghost of a friend or something similar, than that is fact, for that person.

what i see as green, is not a definate fact for everybody, you might think my green is your blue. there is no way to prove that every body has a universal experience of anything at all.

so yes,you dont need to question everything. just know your truths and facts are neuther right nor wrong nor real or fake. no two people have the same experence of anythng at all in this reality.

would reality exist if there was no consciousness observing it?

would reality exist if there was no consciousness observing it?[/b]

kinda like "if a tree fell in the forest and no one was there to hear it, does it make a sound?" right?

tis true.

would it make a sound?

would it even exist as a non fallen or fallen tree until a person came and found it?>

It doesn't matter what it is, but what I do know is that whatever it is, it exists because anything you can sense exists whether it is physical or not. Also, since it exists, I can put a label on it, and I happen to use the label Hypnogagic Imagery.

lol, lord soth here, to shoot down, stomp on, and burn that last post...

the world was percieved to be flat, if it was flat in the minds of every human being on earth, how did one or two people prove that it is round, since the whole world was disbelieving it, it must not be true, right?


lololol

Originally posted by lord soth
lol, lord soth here, to shoot down, stomp on, and burn that last post...

the world was percieved to be flat, if it was flat in the minds of every human being on earth, how did one or two people prove that it is round, since the whole world was disbelieving it, it must not be true, right?


lololol

are you swatting down me or the post above, because we both posted at the same time.

maybe it was flat before two people "discovered" it wasnt..
you have no proof otherwise :-)

heres an idea....... "nothing is true... this is all an illusion".... like the matrix... but....even the real reality is just an illusion......

Originally posted by Nebulae
maybe it was flat before two people \"discovered\" it wasnt..
you have no proof otherwise :-)

Ha! That is so amazingly true.

Fact, fiction, who really knows anything? For all you know, you are the only real person, and reality was created only for you, around your mind. And everyone else is just a dream character.

Edit: What insanejester said.

Edit2: Albert Einstein also said, "Imagination is more important than knowledge." So.. in my opinion, it's incredibly important to keep your head above all the "facts".. otherwise you'll sink!

My philosophy is reality is what you make it. Only the person tho whoom thst reality aplies to can truly know it.

Originally posted by Howetzer
I think there is a scientific expalnation behind everything. How your mind interperets is a differant ballgame.

Saying there is a scientific explanation for everything is like saying we know all there is to know... It is more likely that there is more we DO NOT KNOW than there is that we do "know" since even what we "know" now is subject to change with new discoveries.

So it's quite a leap of faith to say that it is even POSSIBLE that there is a scientific (known) explanation for "everything."

Hypnagogic imagery is still a pretty generric explanation, so there is a lot of room for interpretation there. You don't have to adhere to one narrow paradigm in order to explain lucid dreaming in terms of hynagogic imagery. It is always good to at least acknowledge that there are various perspectives, even if we're not experts at explaining those perspectives.

All this talk of reality confuses me.

As far as I'm concerned, nothing exists. Not you, not me, not anyone, not anything. This is all just a strange fantasy, created by my non-existant mind.

But, just in case I'm wrong... I'm going to follow the rules of this supposed reality.

My philosophy is: If you talk about reality, your IQ drops 10 points. We know barely anything, to assume we know anything about reality is just as stupid as bitch-slapping a grizzly bear.

What if the grizzly bear was sedated! What then??

yeh YEH! What then?! :bravo:

yeh, YEH! What DEN?!

yarr, wa daen

Is this a big one ? Or a baby grizzly?

Awwwwww babies are cuuuute!

Unless they cry every time you try to put them down!!

(I used to babysit. )

I believe that there is a distinct difference between reality and the dream world. This reality is the same for everyone. I'm not going to name any specifics but there are things that other people do that I, personally, would never do. I also don't believe in reincarnation, thereby closing a loop in my personal opinion.

I also believe that there is a reason for everything. Scientific reasons, not necessarily, but there are reasons. Even if dreaming is just to give our minds a break from the day, then that is a reason. I like sleep so I'm not going to complain about it or insist that I know why.....but that's just me.

Now, I know you're all nice ppl out there so you won't flame me for my opinion, right? *evil glare* Right?

-Amé

P.S. I do, however, believe the quote from The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde that "Man is not truly one, but two." I believe that the conscious mind and the subconscious mind (including the imagination) can act as separate entities. It's when they work together that people start to lose touch with reality. That's just my 2 bits.

evangel said:

Saying there is a scientific explanation for everything is like saying we know all there is to know... It is more likely that there is more we DO NOT KNOW than there is that we do \"know\" since even what we \"know\" now is subject to change with new discoveries. *

So it's quite a leap of faith to say that it is even POSSIBLE that there is a scientific (known) explanation for \"everything.\"[/b]

How do you connect the idea of knowing everything with the idea that there is a scientific explanation for everything? We definitely do not know everything and I would agree that there is probably more that we don't know than we do know.

Take the example of the world being flat. For centuries that was accepted as a scientific explanation of reality. Unfortunately for those people, that explanation turned out to be wrong. However, just because it was wrong does not mean that isn't a different scientific explanation for it. And voila, today we all know that the Earth is in fact spherical in nature.

My point is that just because we don't have scientific explanations for everything or just because some of those explanations may be wrong doesn't mean that there isn't a better one out there.

There is absolutely no reason to believe that everything can't be understood and explained by science. Righteously or not, I see religious thinking as giving up. People just accept their lack of understanding and make up fancy stories to explain the things that they do not put the effort in to understand.

ie.
Person #1: "Hey, how did the universe get here?"
Person #2: "Umm...I dunno, maybe some all-powerful, all-seeing, all-knowing guy did it and then left no proof of his existence."
Person #1: "Yeah that makes sense, let's tell all our friends about it."

Let's not forget who started Christianity; the poor and uneducated who were looking for something to live for. Also, let's not forget who wrote the Bible; people who were trying to convert other people to Christianity.

P.S. Sorry about the poor quality of that fictional conversation...it's 2:30 in the morning and I am really tired.