What if we are only dreaming that we are lucid, but are only following the role of the dream. Which sometimes happens to be the awarness of dreaming. |
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What if we are only dreaming that we are lucid, but are only following the role of the dream. Which sometimes happens to be the awarness of dreaming. |
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Last edited by IZ; 03-19-2008 at 05:58 AM.
When I dream, theres always a
little girl playing in the dirt, that
turns to me and says "Why are
you here? .... Are you blind like
me?"
What I've found
What I've known
Never shined to me what I've shown
Never be
Never free
I wish to see what might have been...
...So I talk to you unbeliever.
I walk in the rain. 1111
I thought about this, but as long as I have the illusion of control and lucidity, it doesn't really matter to me. |
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^^^^^ what he said. Although I personally don't think it's an illusion. How do you create the illusion that you have power to do anything you want in a dream? I mean what if you want to fly but instead you end up travelling back in time to assassinate Hitler (not a bad second choice although the robot form was nigh impossible... lolololol Wolfenstein 3D reference). You get my point though. Or it would just seem like whatever you do is your choice. However I'm still inclined to disagree, for instance LaBerge would test people when they sleep aking them to as soon as they become lucid move their eyes back and forht rapidly, thus discovering that in your dreams your "dream eyes" look in the direction of your real eyes. This guy remembered and did the task, who would want to look back and forth rapidly? That person intentionally chose to do that. Thus proving IMO dream free will or that lucidity is not an illusion. |
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What is the concept of a Lucid Dream? A dream in which you know that you are dreaming. So, let's suppose you are only dreaming you're Lucid Dreaming. |
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Saying quantum physics explains cognitive processes is just like saying geology explains jurisprudence.
This thread reminds me of this thread. |
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When I dream, theres always a
little girl playing in the dirt, that
turns to me and says "Why are
you here? .... Are you blind like
me?"
What I've found
What I've known
Never shined to me what I've shown
Never be
Never free
I wish to see what might have been...
...So I talk to you unbeliever.
I walk in the rain. 1111
You may or may not be right, but it makes no difference either way. |
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My Dream Journal
Current Lucid count for 2008: 28
"Men cry not for themselves, but for their comrades."
I dont thing an illusion can let your mind feel so awake u no what i mean |
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Well thats hardly something we can test now is it? You can't take a person back to identical circumstances with identical memories and see if he makes the same choice each time. So we don't really know if the mind makes precise calculated decisions or if there is a level of randomization. |
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usually it feels different to me. there are times when I am aware that I'm dreaming, but when I wake up, I just know that I wasn't lucid dreaming (properly at least) and that I wasn't controlling my actions. When I actually do it right, it just feels as real as any moment of my waking life. Except I can do ANYTHING |
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Precisely. You can't test it. Even if you could, even the tiniest change would factor into the equation and change the outcome. Its that whole what you observe will also change thing. |
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My Dream Journal
Current Lucid count for 2008: 28
"Men cry not for themselves, but for their comrades."
In this sense, everything is an illusion. You could ask the same thing about real life. The same machinery that presents you your dreamworld, presents you your real world. The difference is, in the "real world" you're obsessed with the moment, with what your senses are telling you. |
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There are dreams like this. Where lucidity is an illusion, and we just aren't aware enough. Those are more shallow than other lucid dreams. |
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Abraxas
Originally Posted by OldSparta
What if life is just an illusion? |
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What if we only "think" we are conscious right now. You see, there is no definite "counsciousness". You just have to assume that your current state of mind is considered conscious. |
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What if this whole world was just some movie for some other universe? You can just say what if to anything and not be able to prove it false but that does not make it false. |
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Reality is just an illusion. |
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Yeah I thought about that too. There's already been done scientific research on this. Laberge and Alan Worsley have already investigated this. They found a way to communicate with the outside world while having a lucid dream, and thus proving that you are really in control of the lucid dream and that it is not an illusion. |
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