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Originally Posted by SKA

Since Salvia is quite pricey in Smartshops here I think for this purpose it'd be best to buy a small salvia plant and grow it myself for continual use. Does anyone know if it's hard or easy to grow Salvia?

the salvia users guide i posted has a faq on how to grow it... it does seem kind of difficult but it would be worth having a sally plant. I wouldn't be surprised though if you cared for sally then sally would take care of you as well

A) Why isn't this illegal?
B) This is the stupidest way I've heard of to become lucid since the nicotine patch. Just use B6 or galantamine/choline whatever are in those LD pills, why do need a hallucinogenic substance?

A) It is legal because it is non-toxic and non-addictive.
B) No one said you need a psychoactive substance to dream.... This is just a different way to dream.

Salvia is a very interesting hallucenogenic botanical and used wisely can engender some very worthwhile experiences. I can't weigh in on its impact on Lucid Dreaming but it's effects can certainly be very dream-like. Based on my limited experience I can make a few recommendations;

1.) Take it in quid form - chew a wad of leaves without swallowing (acids in the stomach neutralize it). Chew it for 20 to 30 minutes, and spit out excess saliva as it builds up. (Use a non-breakable spit cup.) This makes the effects more gradual and gentle and prolongs the trip for up to an hour or more.
If you use it in artificially concentrated form you are much more likely to have an unpleasant or even nightmarish experience.

2.) DON'T LIGHT CANDLES, BURN INCENSE or DRIVE! Even without tripping out so far that you can't recognize physical reality your sense of balance is way off.

3.) Clear away anything that could get knocked over, broken or be a physical hazard before your trip.

4.) Do it in private - somewhere where you can lie down and get comfortable.

5.) Dim the lights and play some mellow music. The effects of salvia can be overwhelmed by anything harsh in the ambient environment.

6.) Until you are familliar with your own dose tolerances make sure you have a sober sitter to insure your safety.

A caveat; I'm not putting this info here to encourage anyone to use salvia, I'm putting it here to encourage anyone who is determined to try it, to take a few precautions. Not too much different from those anyone should take using alcohol.

Salvia is not legal in the following states; Missouri, Louisiana, Tennessee, and Delaware. I'm guessing that in a couple of years it will be illegal in the other 46 as well.

For a whole lot more very good info on the subject go to; http://sagewisdom.org/usersguide.html (as already posted by alfy984).

Whoever was saying they're too scared to try LSD and thus want to try Salvia (has probly done it by now but nevertheless) I'd advise against that logic. Even though it lasts only a few minutes it can feel like a lifetime and is way more intense than acid.

Anyway I'm interested in trying this and am looking into buying a plant. Got interested in it about a year or two ago and gave up my search but I'll try again soon.

I'm wondering if anyone has tried DMT, nobody can say that's unnatural, it's what makes us dream in the first place. I want to know it's effects on dreaming etc and if you can control it like a LD.

Originally Posted by tommo

I'm wondering if anyone has tried DMT, nobody can say that's unnatural, it's what makes us dream in the first place. I want to know it's effects on dreaming etc and if you can control it like a LD.

I have done DMT in a Ayahuasca brew, but i did not have a breakthrough experience, although it was an intense awesome experience. I watched the caves episode of planet earth in HD. Check out erowid.org and read some experiences with DMT. I read an account of one guy who said he went into an episode of CSI and was solving crimes with the characters in the show.

If you think of how we percieve as the same as how a TV picks up signals then it makes a lot more sense. We can tune in to certain channels based on our brain chemistry. Sometime u can only change certain aspects of a channel like color sound etc, and sometimes u can switch channels all together. I believe this is the way dreaming, drug experiences, OBE's etc all work. They are all connected and all aspects of dreaming. I know some people might read this and think it is complete nonsense, but just ponder it for a while .

I tried eating a plant called angels trumpet once. I was awake but the world was like a dream all night long. I sat on the couch and talked to strange creatures all night. Like an acid trip. A friend had tried it too that night but he went out on the town while I just stayed in. At about 7 in the morning my friends mom came over looking for him. She was worried. I answered the door but told her she couldnt come in cause there was some people over. Weird people. I went with her driving to find my friend and realized while we were at a pay phone there was a hot bikini girl waxing her station wagon. I looked away and then back again. She disappeared. I realized at that moment it was all not real. The strange people and creature were infact, just in my mind. Ooops, I told my friends mom there was strange weird people in the house.

alfy984 - I have read heaps of experiences, they seem really amazing. I think what you said makes sense also.

RunflaCruiser - dumb dumb dumb. Lol, nah curiosity is key to everything. But I hope you know that plant has about a 2 gram LD50 (overdose dosage). Really fucks with your head too apparently, like everything you said, it's like a dream. I tried smoking some once and I basically just got REALLY cold all over my body instantly and then I was like WTF!? and stopped. Dunno if I hallucinated because as you know it's very hard to tell.

It was about ten years ago. You know how it is, the young party years...Me and each of my two friends ate 1 and 3/4 large flower leafs. I wouldn't try that one again but also wouldnt take back the awesome experience. One friend ended up in the hospistal (the one we went looking for).
I also couldnt see things close up for about 2 days following.

I would recommend everyone try acid atleast once in there lives. Its a really cool experience.

But if you have to try this, the Angel's Trumpet that is, stay in the house and eat a little less than I did. And dont say I didnt warn you.

First off Salvia is nothing like a Lucid Dream and cannot induce one either. It will, a majority of the time produce a bad trip. In fact I never met a person who tried Salvia and said, “Gee, that was fun.” It makes your brain go bye-bye for ten - fifteen minutes. You won’t know where you are, who you are, what you are. Anything you know now will go away for fifteen minutes. Really, it isn’t fun.

Regardless, it is near harmless. It has been used for thousands of years. It isn’t addictive in anyway. It has a reverse tolerance. Meaning the more you smoke it the less you need to use to achieve the same effect.

If you want to do drugs stick to the illegal ones. They are illegal for a reason, because they’re fun.

I'd advise against taking strong psychoactive drugs (or any that aren't strong) in an attempt to LD. Your not even talking about lucid dreaming, hallucinations arent the same thing as dreams.

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

First off Salvia is nothing like a Lucid Dream and cannot induce one either. It will, a majority of the time produce a bad trip. In fact I never met a person who tried Salvia and said, “Gee, that was fun.” It makes your brain go bye-bye for ten - fifteen minutes. You won’t know where you are, who you are, what you are. Anything you know now will go away for fifteen minutes. Really, it isn’t fun.

Well you probably don't know many people that have tried it then....
Just search youtube and you'll find likely hundreds of good experiences on camera. Of course there's bad trips, that's a part of hallucinogens.
People actually want to make the world go 'bye-bye' and want to lose their ego completely, that's the point. That's why it's good.

Originally Posted by ZmillA

I'd advise against taking strong psychoactive drugs (or any that aren't strong) in an attempt to LD. Your not even talking about lucid dreaming, hallucinations arent the same thing as dreams.

On the contrary, dreams are hallucinations.

Ive yet to see a drug that scares me! lol Or gets me addicted to it!
Although for some it might, i dont have an addictive personality.

Ill check it out, sounds freaky to me! I sure know thats its not going to
hinder my natural ways or states of LDing either.

Salvia gets you high. It's currently lehal, but not for long.

People are currently working to outlaw it I'm the entire US.

Salvia can mess you up.

Don't do it.

Life can mess you up. Don't live!

No I'm kidding, you're right, if you're mentally not prepared, and do not understand the laws of your mind, you shouldn't do any psychedelics at all.

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

First off Salvia is nothing like a Lucid Dream and cannot induce one either. It will, a majority of the time produce a bad trip. In fact I never met a person who tried Salvia and said, “Gee, that was fun.” It makes your brain go bye-bye for ten - fifteen minutes. You won’t know where you are, who you are, what you are. Anything you know now will go away for fifteen minutes. Really, it isn’t fun.

Regardless, it is near harmless. It has been used for thousands of years. It isn’t addictive in anyway. It has a reverse tolerance. Meaning the more you smoke it the less you need to use to achieve the same effect.

If you want to do drugs stick to the illegal ones. They are illegal for a reason, because they’re fun.

I thought Salvia was a fun experience. And I also don't think it's a good thing to do drugs for fun. Drugs are here to explore your mind! Sure they can make you feel good, but you shouldn't do any drugs at all in order to feel good.... thats drug abuse.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

I thought Salvia was a fun experience. And I also don't think it's a good thing to do drugs for fun. Drugs are here to explore your mind! Sure they can make you feel good, but you shouldn't do any drugs at all in order to feel good.... thats drug abuse.

Quite true.... Although I fall under the category of a drug abuser sometimes, a lot of the time I use for mind expansion or introspection etc.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

I thought Salvia was a fun experience. Drugs are here to explore your mind!

That isn't recreational use? Stop with the holier than thou attitude. "I do drugs, but not for fun! I'm on a serious quest for spiritual awakening." Whatever. You do them for the same reason I do them. You want a fun night. That doesn't make you a crack fiend. It's okay to admit.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

but you shouldn't do any drugs at all in order to feel good

Yeah, because pain relief medication doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by tommo

Well you probably don't know many people that have tried it then....
Just search youtube and you'll find likely hundreds of good experiences on camera. Of course there's bad trips, that's a part of hallucinogens.
People actually want to make the world go 'bye-bye' and want to lose their ego completely, that's the point. That's why it's good.


On the contrary, dreams are hallucinations.

Actually, I do know many people who do not like the Salvia trip. to be clearer, I never met a person who has not had a bad trip on Salvia.

I've tried other hallucinogens before (Really, only LSD and LSA if you want to consider that a hallucinogen) and have enjoyed it somewhat. I say somewhat because really hallucinogens aren't my thing.

Originally Posted by tommo

On the contrary, dreams are hallucinations.

Only if you pick out on part and devolve it down to the most basic of ideas, they aren't caused in the same way, they don't involve the same things, they done effect your body the same (or are effected by your body the same). Saying they are just shows you don't understand one or both of the things in question.

I'd never try it, but that's just me haha
I am curious, when you say that hallucinating is just like having a dream... are you able to have dream control while hallucinating? Can you summon DCs and objects? And aren't you worried about getting hurt if you act it out? Except for those it actually sounds cool, makes me wish I was a little braver to try stuff like that.

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

That isn't recreational use? Stop with the holier than thou attitude. "I do drugs, but not for fun! I'm on a serious quest for spiritual awakening." Whatever. You do them for the same reason I do them. You want a fun night. That doesn't make you a crack fiend. It's okay to admit.

Of course it can sometimes be just for fun, but most serious psychonauts do it for enlightenment. Period.

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Actually, I do know many people who do not like the Salvia trip. to be clearer, I never met a person who has not had a bad trip on Salvia.

I've tried other hallucinogens before (Really, only LSD and LSA if you want to consider that a hallucinogen) and have enjoyed it somewhat. I say somewhat because really hallucinogens aren't my thing.

Not really my thing either, but people are obviously going to.... wait I said this already, READ THE POSTS PROPERLY

Originally Posted by ZmillA

Only if you pick out on part and devolve it down to the most basic of ideas, they aren't caused in the same way, they don't involve the same things, they done effect your body the same (or are effected by your body the same). Saying they are just shows you don't understand one or both of the things in question.

DMT causes dreams, DMT is a drug people smoke to hallucinate, DMT is produced by your brain naturally, therefore they are the same.

Originally Posted by Shift

I'd never try it, but that's just me haha
I am curious, when you say that hallucinating is just like having a dream... are you able to have dream control while hallucinating? Can you summon DCs and objects? And aren't you worried about getting hurt if you act it out? Except for those it actually sounds cool, makes me wish I was a little braver to try stuff like that.

It's only like a dream on some hallucinogens, others are fairly different.
And no you can't control them that I know of, well you can, but only to a certain extent. To be honest I don't think anybody has ever tried because it's part of the experience to just go along with it and see where it takes you. See what it can teach you.

Originally Posted by Shift

I'd never try it, but that's just me haha
I am curious, when you say that hallucinating is just like having a dream... are you able to have dream control while hallucinating? Can you summon DCs and objects? And aren't you worried about getting hurt if you act it out? Except for those it actually sounds cool, makes me wish I was a little braver to try stuff like that.

You can control what happens to an extent. But in waking reality you have other people's thoughts affecting yours too, whereas in a dream its your mind only so it is much easier to manifest things. There have been accounts of people taking high doses of pure salvia diviniorum A, (which is active to a few micrograms) and blacking out then acting out what they see, them come back not remembering any of it. It is wise to have sitter if you dont know what you are doing. Also know that pure salvia A is the most potent psychadelic substance known to man as I said before active in only micrograms, which can not be weighed on a normal scale. YOu have to treat Salvia with respect. Salvia is not a recreational drug at all. I use it only for meditative and psychonautical purposes.

If you wake up to a residual feeling or image from a dream is it still dreaming or is it now a hallucination? How can two things be defined differently when they are essentially caused by the same mechanisms with the same affects??? Everything is connected Dreaming, Hallucination, OBE, Hypnogic Imagery, drug trips its all dreaming. Just imagine the possibilities.

Originally Posted by alfy984

If you wake up to a residual feeling or image from a dream is it still dreaming or is it now a hallucination? How can two things be defined differently when they are essentially caused by the same mechanisms with the same affects??? Everything is connected Dreaming, Hallucination, OBE, Hypnogic Imagery, drug trips its all dreaming. Just imagine the possibilities.

A residual feeling or image from a dream is neither, it would be a part of your memory, not a dream or a hallucination.

Well, it's not all dreaming. They are probably all controlled by the same parts of your brain, but the input varies. It's that input that makes them different to me. That's like telling someone who is schizophrenic that the people they hear or see are just as real as real people. Sure you can debate semantics and philosophy, but there is a significant difference in a figment of someone's imagination, and their perception of something that does physically exist and take up matter. Just because your brain is providing what YOU sense, doesn't mean that why it is induced, or what is induced, is identical. And the cause for that induction is what makes them so different... I guess for me it is what the other effects are. When you take drugs, or hallucinate because of a mental disorder or some form of excessive heat or exhaustion or something, that's completely different from dreaming or having HI naturally. You are putting things in, or doing things to your body, that aren't natural. I would never mess with that stuff simply because after years of studying organic chemistry, I know better. I don't even believe in OBEs so I can't address that.

Originally Posted by tommo

It's only like a dream on some hallucinogens, others are fairly different.
And no you can't control them that I know of, well you can, but only to a certain extent. To be honest I don't think anybody has ever tried because it's part of the experience to just go along with it and see where it takes you. See what it can teach you.

People say that about lucid dreaming, too. I don't buy into it, I think you make what you want of experiences. Someone ought to try, though.

Originally Posted by Shift

They are probably all controlled by the same parts of your brain, but the input varies. It's that input that makes them different to me.

I agree the input is different, kinda like i said before about your brain being like a TV. There are different signals from different inputs all over the world, but in the end its all the same colors, sounds, images on the same screen.

I believe acid, peyote, angels trumpet, etc all give different experiences.
some are not like a dream while others are almost the same.

When I took the angels trumpet flower everything I saw I believed was really there and real. It was just like a non-lucid dream until the morning came when it wore off just enough for me to become "lucid". I then realized everything I had experienced throught the night was in fact, not real.