Thread: foolproof Instant WILD anytime ...

Originally Posted by tommo

FatalForces - You can actually find people who do that for a job. they won't be in the yellow pages but you can find them. Try forums and such.

Ok to Happiness is a Warm Gun -
Just because it is becoming illegal does not mean it is dangerous.
Alfy is not saying 'take salvia and you'll be the LD master 2000'
He is saying it is a similar experience.

Nobody knows 100% if Salvia is dangerous, nobody knows 100% if LSD is dangerous.
This is because they've been illegal only years after they were discovered in the Western drug culture. Therefore, no solid independent scientific studies.

Nobody has ever killed themselves on acid by jumping out a window thinking they can fly. That is a rumor,myth etc. Nobody has taken so much acid they think they are an orange for the rest of their life, it just doesn't happen.

What we do know is that the government has made almost everybody believe drugs will fuck your mind up. The point is, nothing is safe. NOTHING. Are you going to tell people not to advise drinking 8 glasses of water before bed so they can get up, piss and do WBTB? Large amounts of water are dangerous you know?

We are not the fucking government, we are not the head of a large company, we don't need to put a fucking warning label listing all possible side-effects of things we suggest.

Alfy said, "YOu have to treat Salvia with respect. Salvia is not a recreational drug at all. I use it only for meditative and psychonautical purposes." and that's f'in good enough.
He also said to research as much as possible etc etc. People CAN make their own decisions you know? If they don't want to hallucinate they are not going to go smoke a potent hallucinogenic because it could be like an LD or could help them LD.

OKAY *sigh*. I will say that if you are trying to use self-suggestion to LD then hallucinogenics could be a useful tool because you are getting a direct connection to your sub-conscious brain. This would enhance every emotion as well, which could help make connection in your brain to aid in becoming lucid. And that's why I think this is a good topic to discuss in a lucid dreaming forum.

Actually, he said, "I have a foolproof instant wake-induced-lucid-dream when I smoke salvia, and you can too." He may MEAN that these are two similar experiences, but it took 3 pages of misinformation and my own prodding for that to actually be said. Reread the title of this thread.

Nobody knows 100% if anything is dangerous because at best we can define "danger" as something that causes us legitimate fear, and from some perspectives there is no legitimate fear. What we DO know for sure is that those who trip on psychoactives can potentially harm their physical selves without understanding the consequences of their actions.
For example, http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_journal4.shtml

Additionally, I won't go into detail about this incident, but I've watched a close friend go through severe psychotic trauma as a result of hallucinogens, resulting in permanent, negative, life-altering changes to his mental state. It happens, though I'm sure you feel more comfortable tripping with the belief that it doesn't.

Large amounts of water can induce water poisoning, and I definitely wouldn't ever advise someone ingest that much water instead of the normal minimum, 8 cups. You're trying to argue that because everything could be considered 'risky,' there's no reason to calculate risks before taking them. It's important that we let people make their own decisions on both risk assessment and psychadelic use by providing them accurate information, which the OP thoroughly lacks.

Your assumption that hallucinogens like salvia and LSD directly connect you to your subconscious contradicts the OP's claim that ingesting them will put you into a wake-induced-lucid-dream (which requires control of your conscious mind).

On the topic of Fatal finding a trip sitter, because tripping with those you trust implicitly is so important for maintaining a good trip, the suggestion of hiring a stranger to trip-sit seems especially unappealing.

I'll end with a silly question: You are faced with a choice between two options. The first possibility is option A. How do you make your decision?

Originally Posted by Happiness is a Warm Gun

Additionally, I won't go into detail about this incident, but I've watched a close friend go through severe psychotic trauma as a result of hallucinogens, resulting in permanent, negative, life-altering changes to his mental state. It happens, though I'm sure you feel more comfortable tripping with the belief that it doesn't.

Of course, everybody has seen this don't you know?
But yes, if you don't believe all the propaganda bullshit you're A LOT less likely to have a bad experience.
In a proper controlled setting LSD is one of the safest drugs ever.
That means. Calm, doctors nearby to make you feel safe, experienced trippers to guide you, starting with low doses. etc.

Originally Posted by Happiness is a Warm Gun

You're trying to argue that because everything could be considered 'risky,' there's no reason to calculate risks before taking them. It's important that we let people make their own decisions on both risk assessment and psychadelic use by providing them accurate information, which the OP thoroughly lacks.

No, I'm not. I'm saying people can make their own decisions, research themselves etc. Nobody is going to go trip balls without doing any research whatsoever just to have a lucid! Just coz' a couple guys told them to.
If they do, on an evolutionary basis they should get chemically castrated from laced drugs.

Originally Posted by Happiness is a Warm Gun

Your assumption that hallucinogens like salvia and LSD directly connect you to your subconscious contradicts the OP's claim that ingesting them will put you into a wake-induced-lucid-dream (which requires control of your conscious mind).

Well I didn't say that did I?
and once again, he didn't say it WAS a LD he said it is LIKE and it MAY BE one.
Well at least that's what he's saying now. I know what you mean about the topic title though.
Anyway by having a direct connection to your subconscious you kind need something that's doing the connecting. Which is your conscious. I'm not saying your sub-conscious takes over, I'm saying you have an uninterrupted pathway between your conscious and unconscious mind.

Originally Posted by Happiness is a Warm Gun

On the topic of Fatal finding a trip sitter, because tripping with those you trust implicitly is so important for maintaining a good trip, the suggestion of hiring a stranger to trip-sit seems especially unappealing.

I'll end with a silly question: You are faced with a choice between two options. The first possibility is option A. How do you make your decision?

Yeah, they go through all the getting to know you things. I'm sure it's fine, people do it all the time. If that's not a good option for you you can go to a shaman, the thought of fucking with you wouldn't even cross their mind.

I don't know why you said that question but I say you fuck the options and do what you want.

I say LD's obtained WITHOUT drugs are the best LDs. Just like I say anything done without drugs is the best way of doing things.