Thread: Stoners Read This:

Also, as we here are Oneironauts, I am also a Psychonaut. I love to explore consciousness. If I had a chance to do my life over, I would not want to do any drugs, thats how dedicated I am to exploring all facets of consciousness.

So I completely respect your decision Jdeadevil, I just hope you, and others respect mine. Though I understand how the idiots ruin the name of drugs that can do so much good. It's hard to tell who uses mind altering chemicals properly and those who just want to get messed up, over the internet.

There's also someone who has a rather well constructed name who is named after Cannabis (Joke). But yes I respect your decision and opinion of the matter. And, you say the idiots are the ones that made up all the other names (like Crack)? I thought it was common to use slang like that. Hmm.

haha, I meant "name" as in the respect and credibility and everything, not the actual name or slang.

Respect and credibility? Could you word that another way please? Sorry, I don't really get what you mean.

There are some people who use the drugs I listed in a responsible manner. Some people use them just to get messed up, and do stupid things while under the influence of them. They don't understand how powerful some of the chemicals are, and they go into them without researching and end up in a hospital somewhere.

I use chemicals to learn more about myself, and human nature. I don't use them to get messed up or thinking I'm just going to see pretty colors (which is the mistake of a lot of people who try psychedelics without researching them. It's a change of consciousness before you get visuals, and more so a change of consciousness, than visual).

It's pretty evident in the slang "Let's get retarded." for using drugs. I think drugs should be used to learn about yourself, human nature, reality, or whatever, but not to just "get stupid", another slang term for using drugs.

There are a lot of things I have learned about myself and other people throughout my usage of chemicals. I also understand that there is harm that can be done, but I realized that before I ever did them, and researched each drug to make sure I wouldn't make those mistakes. But the people who don't research them, and make stupid mistakes that could have been avoided, ruin the reputation that could be good.

I see~

I've never smoked pot, but I know a lot of people who do and it seems pretty benign. Seriously, isn't alcohol worse? People become dependent on it and die of alcoholism. Or kill other people while drunk . . . I don't see anyone dying of marijuana or even unable to quit when they need to.

Originally Posted by mikestankus

Sorry about that,
I didn't mean to categorize anyone with that statement.
But I thought it might get your attention.
I just have a simple question,
Does smoking pot really interfere with lucid dreaming?
I heard that once, and never knew if it was true.
I am thinking about doing it occasionally,
and just curious to how it may affect other peoples lucid dreaming.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

you totally got my attention with the title. I passed by the page and had to click the back button because I swore I saw the words, "STONERS READ THIS"

I cant say for sure, because really I can only talk from personal experiences.. But yeah I find that it just kills my recall if i smoke right before bed, If I smoke early on during the day and then lay off a few hours before bed I can usually recall a few dreams, but not as well as if I hadn't smoked for a few days or something.

As for it being good for you or w/e.. there are better and worse things out there.

No, we don't need it.. humanity would be fine without it. Is it going to end the world? Probably not. I'm sure plenty people have gone through life completely unaffected from the use of it, and I'm sure its completely destroyed other peoples lives. Its one of those things that really comes down to who's using it in my opinion. I don't feel like its put a hold on my life, or "ruined" any aspect of it, but at the same time I know a lot of good could come from completely stopping.

Im a casual smoker nowadays, people say its not addicting, which I really dont agree with.. sure it might not be a physical dependency, but I want to smoke because its fun. I want to do it even though I know I probably should quit . I think deep down almost everyone who smokes can relate to that.

I think theres plenty of worse shit out there we could be worrying about, not to say it isn't a problem. I don't know about you but I think more people die to drinking and driving related accidents as opposed to.. getting jumped by a group of hippies looking for some snacks?

And of course I'm sure there are plenty of cannabis related deaths, don't get me wrong.. but I think its safe to say that applies to just about anything. Not saying pots sweet and to go smoke it, but I've defiantly gotten into more "trouble" drinking then I have while laying back hitting up some of the good stuff.

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I've tried the whole gamut of consciousness-altering drugs to influence LD's, and I can honestly say that I don't recommend any. They mess with dream recall, REM patterns, and it really, really sucks to wake up in the dark with full-blown hallucinogenic visuals.

It's been my experience that the alkaloids that don't cause immediate changes are actually the best. African Dream Root, or Silene Capensis is far and away the best LD inducing substance that I've tried...it's legal, and it doesn't affect normal waking consciousness.

The family of chemicals that are involved are adaptogens...it takes time for them to build up and take effect in the system. What you will notice is a steady increase in dreaming visuals, more profound/emotive content, and better recall (probably related to the increased visuals and emotion).

The expense is pretty high for Silene, no matter where you get it, but I'd recommend it any day over marijuana.

Originally Posted by AlexLou

I've never smoked pot, but I know a lot of people who do and it seems pretty benign. Seriously, isn't alcohol worse? People become dependent on it and die of alcoholism. Or kill other people while drunk . . . I don't see anyone dying of marijuana or even unable to quit when they need to.

I thought Alcohol was a drug...

It is.

Originally Posted by Jdeadevil

It is.

Never said it wasn't. I'm just using an example of a drug that people consider to be harmless to most people to show how marijuana may not be as harmful as we were taught in school.

I've never had alcohol, smoked, or done drugs. How safe am I?!

Very. Good job

Originally Posted by AlexLou

Never said it wasn't. I'm just using an example of a drug that people consider to be harmless to most people to show how marijuana may not be as harmful as we were taught in school.

Ah, I see. Sorry about that.

JD, you're probably one of the cleanest people I know.

Probably.

Originally Posted by Jdeadevil

It's not about affording it buddy. Why would anyone want to spend their nice well earned money on basic complete shit that fucks you up? Nobody would want to do that! Lucky for me I've probably had a nice life so far because of that I don't smoke or do drugs.

Well, it's pretty much the same for alcohol. As I've said previously, since marijuana is illegal, people who seek it are generally not of the best kind. And for being so, this person's life should suck. Marijuana provides a relief, even if it has a drawback, to that situation - and it's just the same with alcohol. Nothing in your life has meaning, but at least marijuana gives you a time to relax and enjoy. When your self-value is low, you literally get a crush on the one thing that makes you happy - marijuana - and that's how you get addicted.

Addiction occurs the same way with religions, Internet, reading, alcohol, TV, or even those people that love excessively (as in, get crazy about people they love).

Once you're addicted, marijuana is something you'd waste your well-earned money in.

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That said, it's important to acknowledge that there are many "good" marijuana smokers out there - people who use it non-problematically.

Originally Posted by Bob Dole

Yes, it also causes psychosis and cannibalism.

Who's been pissing in your Brain?

Aaaanyway.
In my experience getting significantly stoned in the 4 hours before going to sleep hurts dreamrecall, except when I smoke Hashish. I've noticed that when I smoke a moderate amount of Hashish or some Marijuana earlier in the day my dreams are rather psychedelically enhanced instead.

Originally Posted by Oedipud

I've tried the whole gamut of consciousness-altering drugs to influence LD's, and I can honestly say that I don't recommend any. They mess with dream recall, REM patterns, and it really, really sucks to wake up in the dark with full-blown hallucinogenic visuals.

It's been my experience that the alkaloids that don't cause immediate changes are actually the best. African Dream Root, or Silene Capensis is far and away the best LD inducing substance that I've tried...it's legal, and it doesn't affect normal waking consciousness.

The family of chemicals that are involved are adaptogens...it takes time for them to build up and take effect in the system. What you will notice is a steady increase in dreaming visuals, more profound/emotive content, and better recall (probably related to the increased visuals and emotion).

The expense is pretty high for Silene, no matter where you get it, but I'd recommend it any day over marijuana.

Do you have any advice on how to use Silene Capensis, what doses to uses and how often to ingest for desirable dreameffects? I have tried steeping a tea out of the recommended half to a whole teaspoon of powdered dreamroot, had positive experiences the first time but no effects were noticed on a 2nd and a 2d time.

PS: Sleeping on acid has induced a very wakefull, dormant but not asleep-kind of state in which mostly geometric, colorfull and bright hypnagogia is seen and sometimes minidreams appear.
Something not very desirable to dream on, but low doses may be just perfect for Dreamenhancement and mental clearity in (Lucid)Dreams. I have once tried this with about 1/5th of a blotter but slept too deep to remember dreams. I shall do this again in a time in which my DreamRecall is better.
Also it certainly doesn't have to suck to wake up in the middle of the night with full blown hallucinogenic visuals; it depends on who you are and what your lifeview is. Some people actually find full blown visual hallucinations in the dark very desirable 'cause they see them as visions of divine light and symbolical insight, as opposed to something dreadfull like "signs of ailment and disease" and madness. People like me. And many many others just like me. People on these forums seem very unmovable from their tightly fixated, immobile point of view/look on life.

The only drugs that truely ruin lives and are to be labelled "Risky" even IF the user would be aresponsible person are Meth, Crack/Cocaine, Heroin & Opiates( Those painreleaving pills 4/5th of the US population is popping ) Hallucinogenic drugs such as LSD, Mescaline(Peyote, San pedro Cacti), Psilocybin(mushrooms), Salvia, Ayahuasca/Yopo/DMT & Cannabis are toxically seen the drugs that should be least worried about and, when used in a controlled enviroment, by mentally stabile and responsible people are, allthough extreme in effects, very unlikely to lead to any kind of medical trouble or death. The only disastrous kind of use of these Hallucinogens would be to ingest them on very chaotic parties, city streets or to take rediculous amounts of any of these: yes there are people who are wreckless and will abuse anything. But mostly themselves.
How many abuse alcohol? Don't think I even wanna know. I bet allmost everyone on here knows at least 1 person that uses alcohol irresponsibly. But remember how many people DO use alcohol in an intelligent responsible manner. Why should this be any different fro Maijuana or More psychedelic magic plants? I think the legalisation of these substances would be a better thing to reduce druginduced harm and drugcriminality than the current policy of Just making a war on it and bannish it.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Well, it's pretty much the same for alcohol. As I've said previously, since marijuana is illegal, people who seek it are generally not of the best kind. And for being so, this person's life should suck. Marijuana provides a relief, even if it has a drawback, to that situation - and it's just the same with alcohol. Nothing in your life has meaning, but at least marijuana gives you a time to relax and enjoy. When your self-value is low, you literally get a crush on the one thing that makes you happy - marijuana - and that's how you get addicted.

Addiction occurs the same way with religions, Internet, reading, alcohol, TV, or even those people that love excessively (as in, get crazy about people they love).

Once you're addicted, marijuana is something you'd waste your well-earned money in.

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That said, it's important to acknowledge that there are many "good" marijuana smokers out there - people who use it non-problematically.

Well said.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

That said, it's important to acknowledge that there are many "good" marijuana smokers out there - people who use it non-problematically.

What I don't get is why you'd want to smoke it in the 1st place...

I do it because of the state of consciousness it offers.
And it makes me very creative, so smoking and writing music go hand in hand.

Originally Posted by mikestankus

I do it because of the state of consciousness it offers.
And it makes me very creative, so smoking and writing music go hand in hand.

Yes, I could imagine.

But you coulld train yourself to get to that altered state of consciousness. And creativity comes natrually. Drugs don't solve everything...