Thread: What exactly is a dream /about/ being lucid?

Originally Posted by Amethyst Star

I've had a dream where my persona knew she was in a dream, but I was not consciously aware that I was dreaming. That was the difference for me.

Ha! No joke. At least it's better than the rash of "Staff is evil and must die" threads we've had in the past.

Exactly. It's like watching a movie character go "Oh, I'm dreaming so this should work..." and you don't realize that it really is just something you're watching on a movie, and the implications, because you're so caught up in the story that you forget it's just on a screen. Even when I have personal awareness, just like I do now, I sometimes proclaim to know I'm dreaming without actually realizing or understanding that I'm dreaming.

And YEA! Well, at least that stuff usually keeps itself off topic.

Originally Posted by Shift

Exactly. It's like watching a movie character go "Oh, I'm dreaming so this should work..." and you don't realize that it really is just something you're watching on a movie, and the implications, because you're so caught up in the story that you forget it's just on a screen. Even when I have personal awareness, just like I do now, I sometimes proclaim to know I'm dreaming without actually realizing or understanding that I'm dreaming.

Okay, that makes sense. Those are what I call uncontrolled lucids (is there any difference between these and what other people call uncontrolled lucids, or are they the same thing?)

@Amethyst: Your explanation does really make a lot of sense, I'm usually seoprate from my dream self in uncontrolled/false lucids (sometimes controled lucids, and in a lot of nonlucids where I wasn;t myself).

You know, ever since I've come to Dream Views, I've been trying to wrap my head around this whole "dreaming of being lucid" thing that everyone keeps talking about. I've been pretty swayed toward the idea that there's really no such thing, and people are just confusing 0-to-low dream control over their own body and actions with not being lucid "enough" to count it as being lucid. The reason I've been thinking this, I gather, is because I don't have very many dreams or dream moments where I'm not in control of myself. I do have them, but they're definitely in the minority. Even in my non-lucids, I usually feel like I'm there and am making my own decisions (most of the time), so the idea of "knowing - and acting as if you know - you're dreaming, without being lucid" seemed kind of foreign to me.

Although, I just realized that I have had a couple of dreams where the dream me would be saying something, or doing something, and would be like (for example): "Such and such doesn't matter, because this is only a dream." It would be said without my preliminary, conscious awareness that this actually was a dream, so I actually do understand where some of you are coming from. The only thing is, every time this happens (and I mean every time), I become fully lucid, right then and there, like I'm being instantly dropped into, well, a movie - to use the analogy that Shift used. It's instantaneous - like a light switching on.

But I can't say I've ever had a dream play out, after my dream self implies that it knows this to be a dream, without actually becoming lucid (as best as I can remember). Looking back on this, though, I actually see how 'dreaming of being lucid' is possible.

Bit of a revelation, on my part. Heh.